August 2, 2007 - 10:53am
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: A NATIONAL ISSUE THAT COSTS STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS"
By David RebovichNo matter how one feels about the complex issue of illegal immigration, it would have been hard not to sympathize a bit with Morristown Mayor Donald Cresitello last week. At least the Mayor Cresitello who appeared on New Jersey Network's "On the Record" show that was taped last Friday. He estimates that his town is home to some 1,500 illegal immigrants and previously noted how his many of Morristown's legal residents complain about the decline in the quality of life in their community and the strain on local services posed by the newcomers.
To the Mayor, desperate times require desperate measures. He wants to deputize members of his police department to implement federal immigration law through the 287 G program in the Department of Homeland Security. Cresitello is cautiously optimistic that his request with be approved by federal authorities. When asked by "On the Record" host Michael Aron about the rationale behind wanting local police do the work of federal authorities, the Morristown mayor calmly explained how local officials know where the illegal immigrants live, and they deal with the contractors who hire undocumented day laborers .
Cresitello also assured the viewing audience that the Morristown police officers know not to harass or profile members of any ethnic group. He added that documenting immigrant workers would likely increase the collection of payroll and income taxes and force employers to pay them at least minimum wage. Under these circumstances the playing field would be leveled for citizens seeking work and unwilling to be paid low wages under the table. This all make sense. But on Saturday the Mayor suffered a lapse in judgement. At a much publicized anti-illegal immigration rally in Morristown, Cresitello directed an impolitic statement at a group of counter-protesters. He said, "To the communists across the street, and the Marxists, we know your motives, and we will not continue to let you go forward with your intent to take over the country."
The counter-protesters were being rowdy and tried to drown out anyone speaking at the rally. And, they did egg the Mayor on with a highly inflammatory, ridiculous sign that identified him as "Mayor KKK." Some may think that a politician is an extremist if he believes that failing to enforce immigration law leaves the United States open to an influx of millions of workers who will drive down wages and drive up taxes with their demands for social services. But such a view is surely more tame than the call made by some self-stated leaders in the Latino community for the "re-conquest" of California and American Southwest by ethnic Mexicans and central Americans for their "race."
Exchanges like the ones between Cresitello and his critics are not especially productive. Rather, they keep people from having candid conversations about the consequences of illegal immigration and the humanitarian, economic, political and practical matters that need to be considered along with the legal and ideological ones. After a spirited but unsatisfying debate on these topics earlier this year, lawmakers in Washington, D.C. failed to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill. Some lawmakers in both parties recognized that they had not convinced constituents that Uncle Sam could or would stem the flow of illegal immigration into this country. Other lawmakers seemed worried about the political consequences of offending current and future Latino-American voters if strict measures to deal with illegal immigration were adopted.
Then there are those clerics from various religious denominations, including my own, who have been sermonizing about the need for America to offer amnesty to illegal immigrants and in a few instances have provided sanctuary for folks about to be apprehended. Yes, the Good Book teaches mercy and charity, but it also recommends obedience to just laws. What is so unjust about having a legal path to citizenship? Some observers have noted that given the decline in membership in some religious denominations, perhaps a few clergy here are using this issue to try to gain favor with new immigrants, many of whom regard religion as a central part of their lives.
While there are people who want to argue about what illegal immigration means for the health of the Republic and our souls, most folks seem to think about the issue in more practical terms. A recent Monmouth University-Gannett Poll shows that 69 percent of New Jerseyans surveyed do believe that illegal immigration is a serious problems for the country. However, 65 percent think that illegal immigrants who have worked in the United States for at least the last two years should be permitted to apply for legal status. 30 percent of New Jerseyans want illegal immigrants to be deported.
These are interesting numbers in a state that has between 400,000 and 800,000 illegal immigrants among its 8.6 million inhabitants. One is tempted to conclude that New Jersey's diversity and large legal immigrant population makes most residents sympathize with immigrants, legal or not. However, that Monmouth-Gannett poll showed that only 40 percent of residents believe that the impact of immigration has been positive for the state, while 44 percent think it has been bad. Can these contradictory views be reconciled? Well, they seem to suggest that most New Jerseyans believe it is impractical and too expensive to send illegal immigrants back to their native lands even if they are law-breakers. Many Republicans and Democratic lawmakers in the national government make this same point.
But if it is too expensive to send the illegal immigrants back home, can New Jersey afford to allow hundreds of thousands of them to remain here? The issue of what the state can and cannot afford to do is not one that has been raised simply by nativists, ideologies, or a beleaguered, hot-under-the-collar mayor. Rather, state lawmakers in both parties have been crying poverty for years now. Since he took office in January 2006, Governor Corzine has told New Jerseyans that we have a budget crisis, a school funding crisis, an affordable housing crisis, a health care crisis, a property tax crisis, a state debt crisis, a public worker pension fund and health benefits crisis, and an open space preservation crisis, all of which will require the state to come up with more revenue or cut existing programs to free up funds.
Will the state's revenue problems be alleviated or exacerbated having more low-income workers - and their families - reside here even if they do start paying taxes. Well, even those folks who argue that increases in population ultimately lead to economic growth would have to admit that for the foreseeable future, the costs to government will be high. There is health care for the uninsured, a $12,000 a year tab for each new school age child, and pressures to provide even more affordable housing units. And let's not forget the need to help the structurally unemployed in New Jersey - those people who can't work, can't find work, or don't want to work in the jobs that some illegal immigrants currently hold.
In the meantime, two legislators - Democratic state Senator Ellen Karcher and Republican Assemblywoman Jennifer Beck - recently said that state and local officials should not try to try to enforce federal immigration law. Both believe that the national government needs to enact comprehensive legislation on the issue and that state and local governments should not assume the costs and potential legal problems of doing the job of INS or Homeland Security. But, New Jersey and other states and, yes, communities like Morristown, are already stuck with the cost of providing services for the illegal immigrants who are already here. Maybe a way to get the federal government to act on comprehensive immigration reform is for all fifty states to send Uncle Sam the bill. At the least, perhaps the negative publicity would cause Congress and the Bush Administration to secure the borders so that the problem doesn't get any worse.
David P. Rebovich, Ph.D., is Managing Director of the Rider University Institute for New Jersey Politics (www.rider.edu/institute). He also writes a regular column, "On Politics," for NEW JERSEY LAWYER and monthly reports on New Jersey for CAMPAIGNS AND ELECTIONS Magazine.
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No easy answer here
We have seen what happened in Hazleton, PA, not long ago with their preemptive ordinances vacated by higher courts. There are also some creative reforms being proposed in Washington to the stateless/illegal persons issue. Any solution that promotes taking responsibility on the part of a suspected illegal citizen, and "setting things to right" with INS is one that I look upon favorably
"Aztlan" is not an issue ...
... except with your fellow professors in "Chicano Studies" programs in the Southwest who did a little too much peyote in the '60s.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Mayor Cresitello. Social problems from illegal immigration in Morristown (and other similar towns) can be addressed through crackdowns on housing codes (anti-"stacking" ordinances) and through common sense policing -- NOT ethnic profiling as Cresitello favors. Ironically (and sadly), by his own admission illegal immigrants are a SMALL MINORITY of the Latino population in Morristown, yet his actions would affect all of the Latino community, a large community in Morristown.
At least one person of authority in Morristown sees that -- the well-regarded police chief. Unfortunately, he opposes Cresitello's plans for federal involvement from ICE (logically -- crime tips from Latinos, regardless of legal status, will drop to zero if immigration agents are accompanying beat cops). So now Cresitello wants to fire him. (He's already suspended him on spurious grounds.) The good mayor seems to spread turmoil wherever he goes.
From his "Communist" and "Marxist" remarks, it looks like the good mayor -- cut from the same rabble-rousing cloth as Hazleton, PA Mayor Lou "Italians Were Never Immigrants" Barletta -- doesn't think Michael Aron's show is a big enough platform for him. He seems to be aiming, like Barletta, for Lou Dobbs. And at the rate he's going, Cresitello just may get his 15 minutes of fame on CNN.
And from the headlines this morning ...
... it would appear Chris Christie (no softie on crime he) disagrees with Mayor Cresitello.
No rocket science needed here
What part of the word ' illegal" do you not understand.? Why do we discriminate against Legal immigrants by not honoring their process into citizenship? Why do we not cut off the flow of illegals by targeting the merchants of Cheap/ slave labor. This can be done by local communities and towns. If you pick up an illegal off the street you go to jail, the same way if you pick up a hooker. Its time for counties and towns to act. We are paying cops over 90 k to babysit PS E & G trucks and issue tickets for seat belt violations while they cruse by obvious lawbreakers. Just what message is that to our children and Legal immigrants.?
It's the casual comparisons ...
... like saying illegal immigrants are prostitutes that are exascerbating the situation, not actually solving the problem.
exaserbating the situation
Doxie boy. You are the one exaserbating the situation by refusing to deal with the " Jons" of the illegal trade. Maybe when you are caught picking them up off Rt 46 and thrown in Jail you may change your tune.
Don't make assumptions
1. I don't own a house or even a car, let alone have enough money to hire a "lawn boy" of dubious immigration status. That would be YOUR friends and neighbors doing that. 2. Whatever impact you think the Latino community has had in Morris County, they have had an enormously POSITIVE impact here in New Brunswick (this weekend's sad headline about a murder in the community not withstanding). As even those articles mentioned, that neighborhood had undergone a renaissance the last 10 years from its new Latino residents. Most of New Brunswick's Latino immigrants are Mexican, and most of them come from the war-torn Chiapas and Oaxaca in southern Mexico. They very much appreciate the opportunities of America, even if America doesn't often appreciate them. And, yes, there is general agreement that some sizable percentage of them -- much less than 50 but much more than 1 -- is undocumented.
God spare us all
from this diatribe. Ok we are sorry that you are poor. You have a computer and some basic skills one hopes. The American dream IN YOUR CASE can be achieved by a four letter word called WORK.
1) I do my own lawn 2) I dont live in Morris. My parents immigrated here and they were dirt poor. My Neighbor did not speak any English when he came over. They all became great Americans who embraced individual liberty, capitalism and the American way. 3) There should be no ethnic pecking order when it comes to immigration It should be strictly a skills based entry method. 4) Legal immigrants do not become wards of the state. They must ave a financial sponsor. 5) The taxpayer is now broke and cant afford anymore of this. Maybe when you get a job and some basic education, you will learn civics 101 and American history and yes even the difference between Legal and illegal immigrants.
Why do you think illegal immigrants cost more in taxes ...
... than all the other costs of government -- most of which you would presumably admit are necessary? PS -- The personal insults are both unwanted and unnecessary.
are you a 5th Grader ??
sorry but if you already have problem with civics 101 you also need a crash course in Economics 101. Ok here it is. Greedy employer x hires illegal y off the street. He pays cash, no taxes, no workmans comp , no SSI, etc etc. Illegal Y does not have a TB or medical exam ( that all legals must have). Illegal Y goes to hospital who pays ?, Illegal Y and his children use our schools who pays ? Answer the taxpayer = you and I
Again the name-calling and assumptions ...
First of all, if you were to look up my politicsnj.com profile, you'd see I'm not a 5th grader -- I'm a 38-year-old with a master's degree in journalism and experience in Jersey politics.
You did not read my post correctly in your emotion. I did NOT say illegal immigrants did not have a tax impact. I was questioning why people think they have a higher tax impact than the Iraq War, Social Security, Medicare, general Jersey corruption, etc. I don't think they do.
More to the point, they do work. Which means people are hiring them. Not all of which are Latino people. (You admitted as much.) And in fact, they pay taxes, both sales taxes and withholding taxes that, of course, they can never claim back (either as refunds or future benefits) due to their illegal status.
Maybe the real culprit from your mindset should be the people willing to break the law by hiring illegal immigrants, rather than the illegal immigrants themselves lured here by (correct, as it turned out) promises of jobs.
Get your money back !!!!!
so you are 38 with a masters in the art of writing crap and dont own a car as per your postings. Suggest that you go to the school of hard knocks first. Sorry that you are over the hill to join the Army. Oops I dont think that you would have made it through basic. If you did you might be able to drive a TANK
Your brutal debating style aside ...
(and its unwillingness to acknowledge people can disagree on these matters ...) I'm surprised we're the only two fighting with each other. PS -- Why are you constantly making assumptions (untrue ones) about me? I make no such assumptions about you. I've lived a life of hard knocks, believe you me ...
Making Room for Illegal Invaders
Wouldn't be easier to just have the immigration laws enforced? The Unacknowledged Holocaust Back in the 60’s the Federal Government came into the public schools and brainwashed us as little children with the message that the children we were about to have were unwanted because the population was rising so fast. They said the resources would be stressed. They launched a program called, “Zero Population Growth”. They pushed Family Planning and birth control pills. I think you and I now both know that you only have to trick people for their few child bearing years and there is no going back. Many of us never had a say in the future of our unborn. I am the result of two living cells. One from each of my parents. They are the result of two living cells, one from each of their parents. I wasn't just born. I am a continuation of life. I am a living thing that reaches back into time perhaps 400 million years and the result of billions of joining of pairs of cells. It is possible that if you were to follow my cells back to my parent’s cells and beyond that my family tree touches every living thing here on earth. That is if we limit ourselves to believing life was created here on earth. If it rained down from the immensity of the universe it could reach back into that immensity of time and space, and who knows what relationships and who knows what species. At least until I came up against the Federal Government and their plan to control the population. I have seen the Federal Government do little else to control the population. The open border, United States laws only apply to some, is a serious slap in the face. No, not a slap in the face, it reaches well beyond that. Maybe back to the beginning of time and stretch to the bounds of the universe.
No Logic
Reading the Doximan dairies is very telling. His posts are purely emotion based. I will offer him a job in exchange for him enforcing the rule of law. He gets rid of the illegals and I will pay him $ 15,00 per hour to mow my lawn.
Deporting 22 million illegal aliens ...
Would require a detention operation 200 times larger than any the U.S. has ever run before (the one for Japanese-American citizens during World War II). It would also almost certainly require the suspension of habeas corpus and the Fourth Amendment. There was another such detention operation during World War II, though, that might be a model ...
the solution
fine and jail all the employers and the 22 million will walk back the same route they took to get in. Its simple try it and you get that job I offered.
Status quo
"Self-deportation" will never happen. Illegal immigrants who have been interviewed have already said they will work cash jobs and otherwise try to avoid ICE, rather than go back to their home country, if tougher immigration laws are passed. (The people moving out of TOWNS such as Hazleton, PA and Riverside with temporarily tougher local immigration laws are hardly moving out of the COUNTRY ...)
The U.S. Senate Republicans said the worst possible outcome of the recent immigration debate was the "status quo." Yet the status quo is EXACTLY what happened. Makes me wonder what their motivations were ...
SECURE THE BORDER, ENFORCE THE LAW
WOW, seems pretty simple doesn't it? If we the people would stop stemming and stammering about the issue and begin to believe that we are a nation of laws, this issue, ILLEGAL ALIENS,would be resolved. Just enforce the law. Stop the bleeding and take back our country. Vote any politician out of office that chooses to vote for amnesty or any allocation of our money to aid and abet the illegals. This is OUR MONEY that they spend. Illegal is Illegal, there is no more or less illegal. You came to this country legally or you broke in. It is that simple. Stop issueing US birth certificates and ssn to anchor babies and watch how soon the babies decline. I'll just have a child and then they can't deport me. Oh yeah, deport the child, the mother and the father as well. Go home to your country and stop stealing our services. Perhaps a little emotional, but you know the illegals are stealing from our childrens' future and I don't like it. Wake up New Jersey and vote the bums out of office.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH IN NEWARK
You have got your answer the Perp was from Peru !!! and had prior convictions. Even Green card holders after their first offence must be deported thats the law. Why are we importing socialist killers ??? ask Doxi ??????
Small problem re. anchor babies
They are U.S. citizens -- it's unconstitutional to deny them a birth certificate or any other right of citizenship.
If you're looking for who is stealing from our children and grandchildren, blame our politicians (especially the incumbent president) for running up trillions of dollars in debt to the Banks of China and Japan. The costs of illegal immigrants are literally a drop in that bucket.
PS -- I too mourn the tragic murders in Newark. But psychopaths and sociopaths are psychopaths and sociopaths, regardless of their ethnic origins.
Mourn the truth
The bum was one of your illegal pals. The cost of illegals is a little bit more than an arm and a leg.
Why do we pay such high taxes in New Jersey?
Most people in New Jersey complain about the high taxes, and many are forced to take off and move to another states, leaving families behind, because they cannot afford the high cost of living in NJ. These people go through all this inconvience instead of asking WHY our taxes are so high, where is our money going? Go and find out WHY? Go to bergenline avenue in Hudson county, just about everyone walking on that avenue is an illegal alien. Count how many woman from third world countries you see with not 1, but 2,3,4 and more "anchor babies" These women cannot go to work, what they are going to make would not be enough to pay anyone to care for 4 and more children. These illegal woman stay home taking care of their children, and living from welfare. What a better way of looking for a better life? Come to this country to have babies, and become welfare recipients, the more babies they have, the larger the welfare check gets, so why not, do you blame them? This is an abuse against this country's hard working people, and loyal citizens. We have been forced to support children we have not made. I don't mind helping someone in need, what I mind very much is that these illegal aliens are coming here to take advantage of us, and I don't feel a little sorry for them, these abuse should be consider a crime. It is a disgrace that governor Corzine is taking the law into his own hands, and is making these abusers, law violators legal citizens of New Jersey. What people have to do, instead of complaining about the high taxes, is to wake up! And see that our governor is up to distroy the state of New
Jersey.
Governor Corzine
Corzine forms panel on immigrant issues Friday, August 3, 2007 By ELIZABETH LLORENTE STAFF WRITER Governor Corzine is creating a panel to advise him on how New Jersey can help integrate immigrants into society and prepare the undocumented for a path to legalization. The panel is expected to examine immigrant access to health care, education, job training, social services, English classes and civics lessons, among other things, said Corzine administration officials. Signing Monday -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- • Governor Corzine is scheduled to sign an executive order establishing the Advisory Panel on Immigrant Policy at a ceremony Monday at Liberty State Park. The panel is likely to be made up of about 25 people, including immigration advocates, legislative aides and representatives from various state government agencies. * * * RELATED LINKS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- July 29, 2007 Heated debate on immigration July 23, 2007 Bogota cops may regulate immigrants July 16, 2007 Clifton's changing face masks resentment July 15, 2007 Immigrants feel betrayed on legal status The group, whose members are still being selected, is to issue a report and recommendations after 18 months, officials said. Corzine's move, they said, stems from a view that states must deal with illegal immigration after several failed congressional efforts to reform immigration policy. "Given the absence of action on the federal level, the governor feels he needs to confront the realities on the ground," said Brendan Gilfillan, a Corzine spokesman. "There's a community that is an untapped resource, making valuable contributions to our economy. We want to make sure that as a state we do everything we can to bring economic vitality and self-sufficiency to this community." Gilfillan said the governor hopes to identify voids in immigrant access to state services and programs. He also said that if Congress eventually does pass legislation that provides illegal immigrants with a path to legalization, the governor wanted New Jersey's undocumented to be prepared. "We want to make sure we're doing all we can to help these folks prepare themselves for citizenship," Gilfillan said, "so that when the feds get their act together, our community will be the first in line and be ready to go." The official said the panel also will study matters pertaining to legal immigrants in New Jersey. Immigration advocates lauded the creation of the panel but said it should be a first step toward a state effort to address issues affecting the undocumented. "What I don't want is a panel that will produce a report and not do anything more," said Daniel Santo-Pietro, executive director of the Hispanic Directors Association of New Jersey. "The state needs to take steps that fill gaps and that will make things better for immigrants." But those who favor strict immigration enforcement denounced some of the objectives tied to the panel. "By doing what he says he wants to do with the panel, not only is the governor saying he supports illegal immigration," said Morristown Mayor Donald Cresitello, an outspoken critic of illegal immigration, "but he'd also be encouraging more and more illegal immigrants to come New Jersey, because it would be known as a state that provides services and jobs to them." DO YOU KNOW WHO IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE "PANEL"? ENGLEWOOD'S MAYOR, WHO IS AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER. HE MOST BE MAKING MILLIONS GETTING VISAS FOR THE ILLEGAL. WAKE UP! THIS IS CORRUPTION
Wy don't you join all the illegal
from Morristown, and all other counties in NJ, and talk about the whole picture in New Jersey?
I thank Mayor Barletta, and Mayor Cresitello for doing something about this big problem. Let me ask you, if there is nothing wrong by having this criminals invading our towns, why do we have an immigration law?
This is just one of example of thousands of these kind of people
who are coming here to milk the system.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1361944/posts
And this is not the only illegal criminal we had walking
freely in our streets, around our children, and ourselves. The situation is becoming very dangerous, we are not safe. A person who has nothing to hide goes to the US embassy in their countries, and apply for a visa to come here playing by the rules. There are thousands of people in every country waiting for 10 and more years to come here legally, and they cannot get their visas because these invasion of criminals decided to violate the law, and our government is giving them first priority for violating the law. This is not fair, and this is a total disgrace. And more disgrace is to hear our politicians fighting on their behalf, and saying that it is ok. to break the law, that they have to be rewarded for doing so. Also they always avoid to say ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, they call everyone IMMIGRANT, and this is an offense to those who respect the law.
We have enough psychopaths and sociopaths of our own
We don't need anymore to come here to commit crimes. I just hope that you live in a very affluent neighborhood, where you don't have to mingle with them, nor your children, grandchildren. The cost of illegal immigrants are literally a drop in that bucket? Why don't you take care of them by yourself? TWO WRONG, DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT. And I suggest that you should get some information about the cost of these criminals to the taxpayers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1361944/posts
By right they should not be US citizens if the parents are here
illegally. Those children born to illegal aliens should be illegal, at least one of the parents should be a citizen. More so when our government and us know that these people are abusing our system. The anchor babies is a business for all those criminals coming here to have them.
Why is not unconstitutional to allow these people to come here
to take advantage of our system. These people have those anchor babies for a porpuse, and that porpuse is to use them as human shields. Those anchor babies give these abusers the path to milk our system, a system supported by the taxpayers.
Ft Lee Republican, I have a better solution.
It does not take a genius to know what to do. Clarify the 14 amendment which is not clear, it does not say anything about people coming to this country to have babies in order to use them as human shields, so the parents can live off of the taxpayers. This is not clear, and since our government knows that this is happening, this should be taken care of.
No children born to illegal aliens should be a US citizen, one of the parents has to be a US citizen. When this is done, all of you are going to see that these people are going to stop coming, and most of them would deport themselves, this would have to be retroactive 20-25 years. Trust me, this is the solution, very simple. While this is not done, these illegal will never stop coming to this country, and we are waisting our time getting mad about this issue.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! This is the porpuse for the anchor babies
IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN or GRANDCHILDREN, AND PLAN TO STAY IN AMERICA,YOU HAD BETTER DAMN WELL READ THIS, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AHEAD FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS. MEXICANS WANT US OUT! HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT! Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over". Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay." Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, "The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot." Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; "We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it." Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, "Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California." Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, "We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back." Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, was also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave." Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General , "We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California." Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University; "We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . " Are these just the words of a few extremists? Consider that we could fill up many pages with such quotes. Also, consider that these are mainstream Mexican leaders. *** THIS ONE MAKES ME SICK AND MAD AS HELL THE U.S. VS MEXICO: On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession." Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and government contracts? It's called affirmative action or racial privilege. The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible for special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent. Recently, a vote was taken in the U.S. Congress to end this practice. It was defeated. Every single Democratic senator except Ernest Hollings voted to maintain special privileges for Hispanic, Asian and African immigrants. They were joined by thirteen Republicans. Bill Clinton and Al Gore have repeatedly stated that they believe that massive immigration from countries like Mexico is good. They have also backed special privileges for these immigrants. Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon, Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more. DID YOU KNOW?: Did you know that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals? Did you know that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so? According to the L.A. Times, Orange County, California is home to 275 gangs with 17,000 members; 98% of which are Mexican and Asian. How's your county doing? According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994, 20 years after the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast Asia, 30% are still on welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide. A Wall Street Journal editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes law enforcement officials as stating that Asian mobsters are the "greatest criminal challenge the country faces." Not bad for a group that is still under 5% of the population. Is education important to you? Here are the words of a teacher who spent over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system. "Imagine teachers in classes containing 30-40 students of widely varying attention spans and motivation, many of whom aren't fluent in English. Educators seek learning materials likely to reach the majority of students and that means fewer words and math problems and more pictures and multicultural references." WHEN I WAS YOUNG: When I was young, I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island. They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breathe free. They wanted to become Americans. Now, far too many immigrants come here with demands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand special privileges--affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.
Before you discuss these issues
1. Please don't make assumptions about posters who disagree with you. (As I have previously stated, I live in a mixed income area that almost certainly has a large amount of illegal immigrants.)
2. Please try to understand constitutional law, and cases such as Plyler v. Doe and U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark. There is a 140 year tradition of enforcing birthright citizenship, and the burden of overcoming "stare decisis" would be unbelievably heavy. Good luck -- your Supreme Court lawyer will need it.
3. Please stop assuming that people are only allowed to root for American sports teams or athletes. My sports hero in life was Brazilian and my current favorite athlete is Afro-Caribbean British.
4. Please stop listening to the "peyote professors" in the Southwest who did a little too many magic mushrooms in the '60s and get their kicks off provoking people like you.
Again, my deep sympathies (and anger) for the Newark nightmare. But why would it have been better if citizens had committed such horror, as they did in the similar "In Cold Blood"-type case in Connecticut? (And shame on the Essex County Prosecutor's Office for not doing their job since they knew the ringleader was an illegal immigrant with a previous arrest record.)
I live in a mixed income area that almost certainly has a large
amount of illegal immigrants.) I do too, and it came to the point that I am afraid to come home when it gets dark. It used to be a nice area, there were people from every race in the world, a little of everything. Now it is 90% Spanish. I have nothing against Spanish people, what I am against of is that I know for a fact that there are too many illegal who are criminals. and most of them have the prototype as of the criminal illegal who committed the crimes in Newark. I have many Spanish friends, but different kind of people, also my daughter's husband is Spanish, and he is totally diferent, he himself tells me that I have to be careful. "But why would it have been better if citizens had committed such horror" Here is the point, don't you think we already have enough criminals of our own? Besides, our criminals are in their country, where else would they committ their crimes? These illegal claim that they come here looking for a better life, is that the better life they come here for? To kill us? They have no right to be here committing crimes.
Sorry to contradict you doxieman122
Cresitello favors. Ironically (and sadly), by his own admission illegal immigrants are a SMALL MINORITY of the Latino population in Morristown, yet his actions would affect all of the Latino community, a large community in Morristown.
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It is not true that mayor's Cresitello actions will affect all of the Spanish community. I think your problem is that you think that every Spanish person is the same. You have to learn that there are many Spanish people very mad, because the pro-illegal organizations want to make people believe that everyone is the same. Remember that not even two brothers are the same. There is a lot of difference, and the good Spanish people have formed an organization which is called YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME. I know exactly what to what kind of Spanish people mayor Cresitello, and mayor Baretta are refering to. Those who look very poor, and came here to have children, and abuse the system. These two mayors are not talking about those Spanish who came here legally and are not having children, nor abusing the system.
If Mayor Cresitello wasn't targeting entire communities ...
He shouldn't have called his opponents Marxists and Communists.
PS -- I LOVE the diversity in my neighborhood, and I feel completely safe even late at night ...
I do too, I LOVE "diversity" I love the diversity in Manhattan
You said it doxieman122 "DIVERSITY" And in certain areas in New Jersey there is not much DIVERSITY anymore. Mos people are Spanish, the neighborhoods have the appearance of a third world country. SEEMS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WORD "DIVERSITY"? Soon there is not going to be DIVERSITY in New Jersey. If you love DIVERSITY, as I do, move to MANHATTAN, you should not be in New Jersey looking for DIVERSITY.
See my comment ...
On Rebovich's next post for my closing thoughts.
stepman
Very well said, I am 100% with you. Yes, the solution would be to vote de corruption out of New Jersey, but unfortunally, for what I see, it is impossible. There are too many Spanish people in New Jersey, the Cuban American community is huge. You see who went to Washington to represent us, Menendez and Sires, two Cuban Americans who are in complicity with Corzine. Corzine was running for Governor, Menendez got the Spanish votes for him, Corzine gave in return the position he was holding, which later on took Menendez to the senate. Kean said that he would stop the corruption in New Jersey, and he didn't win. So figure it out.
Now Corzine named a panel of 27 people to help him to make the illegal feel at home, in other words, make the illegal in New Jersey ligal, and one of the members of the panel is another pro-illegal, the mayor of Englewood, an immigration lawyer, whose law firm is dedicated to serve illegal, lawbreakers. As you can see, this is corruption, and many people fail to see it. Also notice, that anyone who is pro-illegal, has a personal interest, is getting some benefit out of this travesty.
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I love what the no diversity in Hudson county is doing to H.C.
A 56-year-old North Bergen woman was sexually assaulted twice during a 50-minute ordeal last month, an incident that was not released to the press until last week. Law enforcement officials said they didn't release the information because they were certain an arrest would have been made by now.
According to Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio, the incident took place in the early morning hours on July 23, when the woman was returning home from a trip to Atlantic City.
"The victim had returned to Union City from New York after a trip to Atlantic City," DeFazio said. "She was near the Light Rail station on Bergenline Avenue in Union City around 3:15 a.m., but realized that the Light Rail had stopped running at that time in the morning. She was apparently on the phone with someone and started walking toward her home in North Bergen when she was approached by a Hispanic male who was much younger than her."
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The male, identified by the victim as being in his late 20s or early 30s, about 5'4 or 5'5 in height, having wavy dark hair and wearing a multicolored button down shirt, told the woman in Spanish (the victim is also Hispanic) that he had a knife and would use it on her.
DeFazio said that the victim said the pursuer smelled of alcohol and was carrying a plastic shopping bag, perhaps with a bottle in the bag.
DeFazio said that the woman was first sexually assaulted in the vestibule of a Union City apartment building on 47th Street and Bergenline Avenue, then was forced by the man at knifepoint to follow him to the cemetery behind the Grove Reformed Church in North Bergen, some four blocks away from the original assault.
Forced into cemetery
"The man threatened her verbally, then showed her the knife," DeFazio said. "She claimed that the entire time, he had the knife to her and he told her that he would hurt her if she didn't follow him."
DeFazio said that the man then forced himself on the woman and sexually assaulted her once again inside the cemetery.
"We believe that some sort of incident took place, but we don't believe it was consensual," DeFazio said. "The victim's description of the incident was vague."
The woman apparently made her way out of the cemetery and flagged down a couple, who called 911 on a cell phone at approximately 3:50 a.m. Union City police were the first to arrive and took the victim to Christ Hospital in Jersey City, where she was treated.
Why didn't the public know?
DeFazio said that there wasn't a report made to the media because he firmly believed that investigators uncovered a solid piece of evidence that would have led to an arrest by now.
"Some forensic evidence was recovered," said DeFazio, who would not elaborate. However, a source said it was a pair of men's underwear. "The evidence was forwarded to the State Police laboratory for comparison purposes and to see if there was a match on the [state] DNA database."
But the results from the DNA test were not returned to the Prosecutor's Office by press time.
"There was no indication that this was a serial rapist incident," DeFazio said. "We thought that the investigation would have taken its course and we would have an arrest already."
However, it could very well be that the actor wouldn't appear in the DNA data base, especially if the actor is one of the homeless and indigents who reside near the cemetery or the area near the Light Rail station.
Many of the 30 or so regulars who sleep in that vicinity are believed to be illegal aliens, and it is quite possible that the suspect is indeed an illegal alien, considering he knew where to bring the woman to assault her a second time.
Illegals live there
"It could very well be," DeFazio said. "It's not being eliminated. It was definitely someone with familiarity to the area."
DeFazio said that the Prosecutor's Office investigators had been to the area on several occasions since the incident last month to interview some of the regulars who call the cemetery their home.
"We've had our people up there to make some contacts and gather some information," DeFazio said. "But nothing has fit the bill. We've also had subsequent contact with the victim, and she has been cooperating with the investigation."
DeFazio said that he was hopeful to receive some sort of information from the DNA evidence very shortly, and perhaps that would lead to an arrest.
But there still is the problem of the vast number of homeless that frequent that area.
North Bergen police said that they were aware of the homeless and indigent situation, but the complaints in the past came from residents who found the homeless using outdoor water faucets for cleaning up.
Becoming more of a problem
"It has become more of a problem lately," North Bergen Police Chief William Galvin said. "We never had complaints of any criminal activity involving the homeless before."
However, Rev. Douglas Shepler, the pastor of the Grove Reformed Church and one of North Bergen's chaplains for public safety, disagrees.
"It's been a major concern since I took over here four years ago," Shepler said. "We had robberies in our parking lot and one woman had a necklace pulled off when she was paying respects in the cemetery. Cars have been broken into. It's been brought to the attention of the Police Department and the railroad."
He added, "I was told the best way to keep the people out would be to lock the gates of the cemetery and only allow access through our parking lot. It certainly has cut down on the number of incidents, but it hasn't stopped the people from living there."
Shepler said that he constantly finds things in the cemetery, like clothing, discarded food, and other items.
"God knows what goes on in there at night," Shepler said. "We find things like condoms and clothing, which makes it seem like sexual intercourse is going on. Plus, the food encourages pests as well. We've found dead animals in there. It's terrible."
A resident who lives directly adjacent to the church believes that the church is partially to blame because the church regularly feeds the homeless.
"How can we do anything about the vagrants in the neighborhood if the neighborhood church is giving them free meals every day?" asked Georgia Lagomarsino, who lives a block away from the Grove Reformed Church. "It's almost like we're encouraging them to stay there by feeding them."
Shepler said that since the church operates a New Jersey state-certified food bank, by law they cannot refuse to feed a homeless person.
"If they come to our door, we cannot turn them away," Shepler said. "If we have a food bank, then we have to feed them."
Didn't know about rape
Shepler said that as of last Tuesday, he did not know officially that a sexual assault had taken place in the cemetery, which is owned and operated by an independent cemetery committee.
DeFazio admitted that there should have been some sort of report made public, to enable the neighborhood - especially female residents - to be on the look out for possible sexual predators.
"Women of all ages, be it teenager or an older woman, should be alert, because there is a huge risk all over when they go out at night," DeFazio said. "It's not just in North Bergen or in Hudson County. It's everywhere. If a woman is traveling alone at night, there is a heightened risk and they should be aware of it."
DeFazio is also asking the public for their help. If anyone knows any information regarding this incident last month, they are asked to call the Hudson County Prosecutor's Special Victims Unit at (201) 915-1234. All information provided will be kept confidential.
Jim Hague can be reached via e-mail at either OGSMAR@aol.com or jhague@hudsonreporter.com
©The Hudson Reporter 2007
If illegal who come here don't find work what are they doing
here? They should go back to where they came from? Why our government allow them to stay in this country?
See where your taxes are going.
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Is New Jersey a safe place for a woman to walk the streets?
Police say their hands are tied Even though Shepler insists that he called the North Bergen police, North Bergen Police Chief William Galvin insisted last week that he hadn't heard of any reports regarding a rash of homeless people in quite some time. "Two years ago, we went into that area with our Department of Public Works and cleaned it all out," Galvin said. "We destroyed where they were living. But within five days, they were back again." According to Galvin, it is difficult to arrest people if they are being peaceful. He said that the town currently has no laws against loitering in public places. "If they're causing a nuisance, we can chase them away, but that's about it," Galvin said. Mayor Nicholas Sacco said that he had no idea that the number of vagrants had climbed so high in the area. "It was never reported to me before," Sacco said. "That number is astonishing. I will direct the police to do whatever they can. But how much support the police get from the federal government, that's another story. Can you make an arrest? No, because it's infringing on the rights of the illegal immigrants, so you're stopped by the federal government [because it is their jurisdiction]. You call the INS [Immigration and Naturalization Service], but they say the crime isn't big enough. So we don't know what our rights are." Added Sacco, "Can we check them for identification legally? Can we call INS? Can we respond to police calls? We have to find out where we legally stand and whether we're infringing on their rights." ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO ARE NOT WORKING, ARE DESTROYING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND CAN BE DANGEROUS, CANNOT BE ARRESTED, BECAUSE IT'S INFRINGING ON THE "RIGHTS" OF THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.?
3 undocumented immigrants
3 undocumented immigrants held in rape attempt
by Russell Ben-Ali Thursday September 13, 2007, 7:27 PM
Three undocumented immigrant men remain jailed today in the brazen sexual assault of an unconscious woman in Fairview, an outdoor attack interrupted by law officers early Tuesday, authorities said.
Police reported the men, all undocumented residents from Guatemala, to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, authorities said. The report was in accordance with a recent directive from the state attorney general, ordering local officers to check the immigration status of all suspects charged with serious crimes or drunken driving.
One man, the alleged rapist, was arrested almost immediately after he was spotted attacking his victim and chased down, police said. A second man believed to have aided in the woman's capture, who fled the scene when he was spotted, was arrested Tuesday night. A third man was charged with hindering the investigation, officials said.
The attack began about 1:40 a.m. Tuesday after the woman stepped off a bus from New York, where she spent time with friends, Fairview Deputy Police Chief Frank Del Vecchio said today. She was accosted by two men at the bus stop and carried or dragged across a patch of grass to an alley outside an Oritani Savings Bank on Fairview Avenue, Del Vecchio said.
Two law officers approaching the scene observed a man "who appeared to be in the act of committing a sexual assault upon an unconscious female victim," Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said in a statement.
The suspect, Martin Cana-Chocoj, 25, of Fairview, was arrested after a brief chase, Del Vecchio said. Sergio Ramon-Estrada, 19, of Fairview, the man suspected of helping to abduct the victim, was arrested Tuesday night, Molinelli said. Each man was charged with aggravated assault and aggravated sexual assault and jailed in lieu of $500,000 bail.
The victim suffered a fractured skull in the attack and was taken to Palisades Medical Center in North Bergen, then to New York-Presbyterian Hospital in Manhattan, authorities said. Her condition was not available today.
Felix Cana-Chocoj, a 25-year-old Cliffside Park man who is Ramon-Estrada's cousin, was charged with hindering the investigation, authorities said. He is being held in lieu of $50,000 bail. The men did not have identification when arrested and do not appear to have prior criminal records, authorities said, although the results of their fingerprint checks are pending.
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illegal immigrants in dover , new jersey
I work and live in dover , new jersey . I know for a fact that my
employer hires immigrants with-out papers. Being a legal resident and a
legal worker in dover , this is very disturbing . not only for that reason
, but because the town of dover is doing nothing about the influx of
illegals and the companies hiring them. I cant imagine why the town just
turns the other way , when it is obvious the illegals are reaching
substantial quantities. which can be seen on a daily basis right on
blackwell street , every corner is occupied with 5-6-7 latinos waiting for
work . They wouldnt be there if they didnt know they could be picked up by
either landscaping or construction companies looking for cheap paying
labor. Also they wouldnt be applying to my company on a daily basis ,
without the knowledge or possibility of working without proper
documents. what can be done? when will it be done? what are the laws concerning
this matter? i will be glad to give you my employers name
anonymously , if i knew there would be action taken!!!! bobby12668@yahoo.com