May 6, 2008 - 5:26pm

Sabrin warns McCain to back off Iraq position

Republican United States Senate candidate Murray Sabrin warned his party’s presumptive presidential nominee today that his stance on Iraq is dragging down the Republican Party.

"As it is most likely you will be the Republican nominee for President and I will be the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in New Jersey, we’re going to be running mates this November” said Sabrin in a video message to Sen. John. “So I have one really big favor to ask of you from one maverick to the other: stop trying to convince the American people that you are right in our involvement in Iraq’s civil war.”

Sabrin cited a recent Monmouth University poll that showed Obama besting McCain in New Jersey by 24%, and a Bergen Record poll that showed McCain trailing by 8%.

The Monmouth poll also showed Sabrin, who describes himself as the frontrunner for the Republican Senate nomination, running third in the pack of Republican contenders with 4% of the vote compared to Joe Pennacchio’s 5% and Dick Zimmer’s 25%.

Sabrin wants a full withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq by September, 2010.

Comments

Sabrin has some balls going


Sabrin has some balls going after McCain when he is in town these next few days.

05/06/08 5:32 pm

Thank You Dr. Murray Sabrin


This is the type of L-E-A-D-E-R we need in the GOP in New Jersey

I call that straight talk!

05/06/08 5:32 pm

Murray


Shame on Murray Sabrin for treating the Iraq war as a political issue. It is so much more important than that.

"I'd rather lose an election than lose a war." ~ Senator John McCain

Now that is a real leader speaking. 

05/06/08 5:42 pm

Eric, way to make


Eric, way to make PolitikerNJ a political issue. "it is so much more important than that."

 

You seem like madman with posts like that.

05/06/08 6:00 pm

Delusional


"As it is most likely...I will be the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in New Jersey..." That's almost as funny as the post on Drudge today from the Ron Paul campaign stating that they haven't shut down Paul's campaign yet.

Two delusional libertarians running as Republicans.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/06/08 6:05 pm

JoeSchilp..


How does your Jefferson quote have anything to do with what you just said? You can't go and quote Jefferson if you are against Sabrin and Paul. It doesn't work like that. Jefferson would be a huge fan of Sabrin and Paul if he was alive today. If you consider Sabrin and Paul to be delusional, then you might as well consider Jefferson to be delusional too.

05/06/08 6:24 pm

Don't Mind Joe


Don't mind Joe, he's part of the "establishment", and backed Rudy Giuliani, an even worse presidential candidate than McCain.

He just says what he is told to say and can't comprehend a platform like Murray's and Ron Paul's because it requires some thinking.

05/06/08 6:59 pm

McCain's Message Back:


"Murray Who?"

Sabrin's campaign is a J-O-K-E.

05/06/08 7:10 pm

Eric: "I'd rather lose a


Eric:

"I'd rather lose a Constitution than lose a war." - fix'd

Joe Schilp:

Don't even try to quote Thomas Jefferson while calling Sabrin and Paul "delusional libertarians." Both of these men are extremely mindful of our Founding Fathers, something I wish the rest of the GOP did today--then I can start calling myself a Republican again and still maintain self-respect.

Also, Schilp, you're an idiot, because after all, that's a Ford quote, not a Jefferson. Nice try, though.

05/06/08 7:12 pm

Well, ESedler


...so much for the "public" in "Republican." I guess we have to be a party boss now to question the policies of our leaders. Yep, thanks for your comment about the Premeir on PravdaTickerNJ.com, comrade!

05/06/08 7:18 pm

Masturbator Murray


Masturbator Murray wants a government big enough to round up all undocumented residents and strong enough to put women in jail for taking a morning after pill.

05/06/08 7:28 pm

Murray is a hypocrit


How does Murray Sabrin resolve his "Sabrin Solution" to "give parents federal tax credits to give them the freedom to enroll their children in a successful school or to home school" with the U.S. Constitution?

He can't.

05/06/08 7:44 pm

A.J. Sparxx


You are starting to sound like a truther.

Here is my impression of a Murray Sabrin supporter:

"Everyone knows that the 'establishment' is to blame for the fact that only 4% of Republicans support Murray Sabrin.Its not his fault that he will lose the primary. It's the 'establishment's' fault."

Murray Sabrin is a rather bland candidate who has run a horrible campaign. It is his fault that his campaign is floundering, and no one else's.

05/06/08 7:57 pm

Reckless Foreign Policy is...


wanting to remove all combat troops from Iraq by 2010.

Even Obama and Hillary realize that's impossible.

Has MoveOn.org endorsed Murray yet?

05/06/08 8:23 pm

Is there something in the name "Eric" that makes one ignorant?


Do you know how to read a poll? As I posted previously, the Monmouth poll only asked 160 voters strongly leaning Republican.

There are TWO simple problems with this poll:
1. No pollster worth anything would make any prediction based on a sample size of 160 (with a +/-6.7% margin of error).
2. This wasn't Registered Republicans likely to vote in the June 3rd Republican Primary.

So, Mr. Eric and Wally Edge can post the results of the sub-survey all they want - it doesn't change the FACT that Dr. Murray Sabrin is the F-R-O-N-T-R-U-N-N-E-R and Dick Zimmer is a L-O-S-E-R!!

Perhaps, you will be able to articulate a credible argument

05/06/08 8:31 pm

NJRonaldReagan


I would sooner trust the Monmouth University poll than the unscientific politickernj.com poll that the Sabrin campaign continues to reference.

And why did Murray Sabrin reference the Monmouth University poll today, if that poll is so unsound?

Murray Sabrin is NOT the frontrunner. He will be lucky to get 20% in the primary.

05/06/08 8:37 pm

Sparxx, et al


Yes, Sabrin is delusional. The guy quoted a poll that shows McCain behind Obama in NJ while completely ignoring the fact that polls show Murray himself to have about 4% of the vote in the GOP Senate primary. Yet, the guy calls himself the "likely nominee." Textbook case of delusional.

And yes, I supported Rudy. Why? Because I remember NYC in the 1970s and 1980s. I saw him turn the city around almost singlehandedly as mayor, and he did it almost overnight. It's got nothing to do with the "establishment," Sparxx. But I guess labelling people as part of that "establishment" is more evidence of your paranoia. Everyone's out to get Murray, right, Truther?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/06/08 8:39 pm

A Friendly Wager. . .


You Sabrinistas like to proclaim that Murray is the frontrunner and will win the primary. If you feel that strongly about this, how 'bout a friendly wager? If Sabrin lsoes the primary, you guys stop posting here until after the general election and if wins, I'll split until November?

Any takers?  Or are you guys all talk?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/06/08 8:44 pm

I like that wager..


If Murray Sabrin wins the primary, I will never post on PolitickerNJ again and stop posting on  RedJersey as well.

Anybody who agrees with this bet can never post on politickernj or their respected blog (if they have one) as well.

Any takers on that?

05/06/08 9:04 pm

Joe Schip - did you get past 8th grade Algebra


HERE ARE THE FACTS FROM THE MONMOUTH UNIVERSITY POLL:

Barack Obama versus John McCain: 56% - 32%
Universe of respondents: 720 (288 Democrats + 256 Independents + 160 Republicans) with a margin of error +/- 3.7%

Dick Zimmer v. Joe Pennacchio v. Murray Sabrin v. No Preference v. None of these v. Undecided: 25% - 5% - 5% - 19% - 6% - 41%
Universe of respondents: 160 with a margin of error of +/- 6.5%

So Joe and Eric(s) will this math finally SHUT you up about the Monmouth poll?

05/06/08 9:07 pm

The fact is...


The only reason anyone I know is not voting for McCain is how hardline he is on the war. No one says just leave tomorrow, but two years is a LONG time. It should be enough time to draw down. We won already. Saddam is dead, his sons are dead, they have had elections, what more do we need?

05/06/08 9:08 pm

NJRonaldReagan..


If your such a believer take mine or Joe's bet..

Time to put up or shut up for Sabrin supporters..

05/06/08 9:12 pm

Murray is not the front runner


Only 4% support Murray Sabrin according to the Monmouth Univ. poll. With the margin of error at 6.5%, it is entirely possible that 10.5% support him, but is also entirely possible that -2.5% of respondents support him. Either way, he is not the front runner. He never was, and he never will be.

05/06/08 9:15 pm

Sabrin + Ajjan + Paultardz = LULZ


Luke Skywalker: (To BIGGS, climbing into starfighter to attack first Death Star) This will be just like old times!

Biggs: (Joyful, trumphant, to Luke) Nothing can stop us now!

[Cut to: scenes of fighters flying into space.]

[Music Cue: Luke's Theme]

[Starfighters flying around, things exploding.] 

4' 37" later . . .

Ground Control: Group, we've picked up a group of enemy fighters.

Biggs: Arrghh (as his starfighter is erased in hail of tie-fighter laser bolts).

Now, to really enjoy this thought experiment: replace "Luke" with ANY Democrat candidate. Replace variable "Biggs" with Murray Sabrin.

Sit back, enjoy major LULZ.   Laugh harder when you realize that Sabrin paid a half-mil to look like the world's ass.

p.s. Ajjan = Porkins. ("Stay on target, stay on target . . they came from behnd ! ! !. . .arrrcggghhhhhh . . .  )

05/06/08 9:16 pm

NJReagan


Shut me up about the Monmouth poll?  Huh?  Sabrin's the guy who brought the poll up about McCain, not me.  And just as I said, Sabrin is running around 4%, is he not?  So is Sabrin delusional for saying that he's the likely winner or not?  And how, exactly, have you shut me up?  And what's this got to do with 8th grade algebra?

Finally, take the challenge, will ya?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/06/08 9:21 pm

Eric - do you understand math?


Are you that stupid?
Don't you get it?
The poll for the Republican Primary isn't worth anything!
Your comments are so ignorant they aren't even funny anymore. I hope you delete all of these postings before you go out looking for a job because if I interviewed you and saw what an ignoramous you are online - I wouldn't hire you to wash my car!
If you are learning-disabled then please accept my apologies in advance.

05/06/08 9:26 pm

Joe Schip - I can't believe it...


Not only have you proven your inability to understand SIMPLE math, you are now showing off your inability to understand SIMPE english!

You want to know a very simple test to show Dr. Murray Sabrin is the frontrunner?

Because his supporters are able to read and add/subtract - I feel very bad for whomever you are supporting. If you are the "establishment" (or an establishment-wanna-be) then this explains why the GOP continues to lose elections in New Jersey!

Thank God Dr. Sabrin has put himself forward!

05/06/08 9:31 pm

NJRonaldReagan


So what do you think of Murray Sabrin referencing an unscientific poll then?

05/06/08 9:32 pm

NJ not Ronald Reagan


For someone who claims to know how to read numbers well, you have the poll W-R-O-N-G.

The numbers are as follows: 230 Republicans and leaners 160 SOLID Republicans 68 Lean Rep.

Among the SOLID Republicans, Zimmer is 25% to 5% each for Pennacchio and Murray.

Among the leans Republicans, Zimmer is 28% to 3% for Pennacchio and 2% for Sabrin.

Based on those numbers, Zimmer is doing very well among solid Republicans, who will be going out to vote on June 3rd almost definately. I believe solid Republicans are actually primary voting R's but I'm not a polls expert.

And given his even bigger lead among those who lean Republican, Zimmer should have no problem winning on June 3rd, especially if this trend continues for the undecided voters.

05/06/08 9:44 pm

Hey Schilp


You still haven't addressed my previous remarks. Maybe that'd draw attention to how mistaken you are.

As for your wager, I'm not confident Murray will win--after all, the Republican county bosses are of your mind, and that Sabrin is a "delusional libertarian" and will jam their hand-picked candidate through the primaries with all their weight. An uninformed populace (who really watches local primaries besides us?) will let it happen. Ah, democracy.

Still, unlike all the begrudging McCain supporters, I follow a candidate that is right, not one that will win. After all, I'd rather "lose an election than lose my morals," to put a twist on McCain's words.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford

05/06/08 9:44 pm

ESedler - my last effort to teach you math


Why don't you take the 10 minutes and actually READ the poll:
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP16_1.pdf

The Universe was 160 "Solid Republicans" - which doesn't even mean they are likely to vote in the Primary on June 3rd. If you had any political sense you would know this Primary will be a very low turnout therefore only 25% of these "Solid Republicans" will actually vote in the Primary.

The other 68 "Lean Republican" are Independents who LEAN Republican.

I will make this as EASY for you as possible. Go to the link I provided above and go to page 9 Question 18 - it is ALL there for your little eyes to read.

If you come back after reading the poll for yourself with your same analysis then please tell me who your 8th Grade Algebra teacher was so he/she can be FIRED!

05/06/08 9:51 pm

unless your an expert in poll speak..


I don't see how you would assume the "solid Republicans" automatically doesn't mean primary voting Republicans. The word "solid Republican" is subjective..so it's a question for the pollster to answer.

Independents who lean Republican can vote in the primary as well, as I'm sure some will despite a generally low turnout.

How about your candidate's math in using a completely unscientific politickernj poll?

05/06/08 10:08 pm

NJ Reagan, take the challenge!


NJReagan, if you think I'm such a dolt and that you are so right about Sabrin's prospects in the primary, put your money where your mouth is; stop attacking me and take the challenge.  If Sabrin wins, I will gladly admit defeat and dissappear.

The question is, are you that confident in Murray's chances?  Or do you know what I know, that 5% is about all your man's worth this June!

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/06/08 10:46 pm

"A government big enough to


"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford, 1974

05/06/08 10:50 pm

I will see your wager and RAISE YOU...


If Dr. Murray Sabrin is not within the margin of error of leading the next legitimate poll (600+ registered republican likely to vote on June 3rd) I will no longer post on PolitickerNJ.

That is HOW CONFIDENT I AM DR. MURRAY SABRIN is the F-R-O-N-T-R-U-N-N-E-R right now?

What say you Mr. Schip (and the Eric twins)?

05/06/08 10:58 pm

Truther pejoratives?


When did seeking after the truth become a bad thing? I can't figure out whether to blame republicrats or demopublicans...

Choices, choices...

05/06/08 11:43 pm

Your on NJ not Ronald Reagan..


but I don't think there will be a poll of 600+ likely R's to vote on June 3rd in the next 4 weeks before the primary.

05/07/08 12:43 am

ESedler, you continue to show your ignorance


Of course there will be some polls of likely Republicans to vote on June 3rd (I would bet you there are a couple of polls in the field as I type and will be published in the next few days).

FDU, Monmouth and Eagleton will all do at least one poll.

I look forward to not seeing your stupid remarks once the first of these polls are released and Dr. Sabrin is in the lead or within the margin of error.

Perhaps, you will spend more of your time reading your law books (focus a little more on your Constitutional law books).

05/07/08 1:24 am

Reagan, Are You Kidding?


Raise me?  How?  If a "legitimate poll" shows that Sabrin has 5% support, and the election results are in that poll's margin of error, you can claim victory even if Sabrin gets slaughtered in the primary.  How is that raising the stakes?  You claim that Sabrin is the "F-R-O-N-T-R-U-N-N-E-R," and yet, you can claim victory in this wager even if he gets slaughtered. 

That's not expressing a whole heckuva lot of confidence in your candidate, IMHO.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/07/08 6:54 am

political torture


Murray should stay in the Ft Lee Hilton instead of attacking a Hanoi Hilton hero

05/07/08 7:12 am

Be Prepared


People like Murray Sabrin across the country need to serve as a warning for what's to come once the GOP Conventon rolls around.

The fringe Ron Paul movement is going to do everything it can to derail and disrupt the convention and nomination process.

These people are an unruly group of anarchists made up of crazies, conspiracy zealots and political castaways with zero credibility who have absolutely no respect for the political process in this country and will move heaven and earth to destroy it since they can't win on their own merits.

If anyhting, it looks to me like they want John McCain and the Republicans to lose more than they want Ron Paul to win.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston

05/07/08 8:25 am

What a jerk


Obama or Clinton would beat McCain in New Jersey, hell, a dead democrat would beat a republican in this state the way the republican party is run.  But Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck would beat Sabin considering these stupid remarks.

"The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything."
                --Theodore Roosevelt--

05/07/08 9:26 am

Since when did Murray become ...


... a military expert???

I read his resume and it never mentions him serving in the US Military.  How could that be???  He's the greatest living American since John Wayne (who himself avoided military service in WWII). 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on Murray's apparent AWOL status. 

As far as McCain trailing Obama, if they polled NJ voters on a hypothetical contest between Obama and Ron Paul, Paul would likely trail Obama by 50 points.

05/07/08 10:41 am

Dino...


"These people are an unruly group of anarchists made up of crazies, conspiracy zealots and political castaways with zero credibility who have absolutely no respect for the political process in this country and will move heaven and earth to destroy it since they can't win on their own merits."

I take offense. Most of my friends would too. I personally would never claim sanity only because there's no fun in it. I have no time for conspiracy theories although they make a good read. The way I was brought up was to show respect even for politics, but when those ideal, morals, and values are twisted and distorted by people who want nothing but more money and more power over my life I become a fighter. Every person I have met is the same, including Ajjan -- All with high intelligence and able to think for them selfs with no anarchy involved. These are the stigmas that give good people bad reps before you even get to meet them or know them. Frankly, in response to Murray warnings about Iraq, I would move heaven and earth to prevent my son or daughter from fighting an illegal war even if that means moving out of the country.

Secondly, if you have been keeping up with the news, Ron Paul knows that he is not going to win, we've accepted that. The point of the revolution is not winning the race, but to be heard and counted. We want to keep our freedom. What's so wrong with that?

As for your quote...screw political correctness...I'm tired of walking on egg shells.

Try these Thomas Jefferson quotes...

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

05/07/08 11:01 am

looking closer to home


Well, I agree with Sabrin's philosophy on the Iraq War and how detrimental it is to this country. That said, I'm surprised that Sabrin is focusing his attention on John "100 years in Iraq" McCain when his own slate in NJ-03 is pro-Iraq War, with no timetable nor benchmarks for the Iraqi government. Justin Murphy said as much in the NJN debate, and he is running on Sabrin's reform slate.

05/07/08 11:08 am

Quinni24


"I take offense. Most of my friends would too."

Good, it sure as hell wasn't meant as a complement.

As far as you moving heaven and earth to keep your kids out of an "illegal war", nobody's after them. Everybody who is in Iraq did so after they signed the dotted line to voluntarily join the military. That includes both of John McCain's sons.

This war is extremely personal for him and self righteous empty suits like Murray Sabrin and people like you who worship at his altar should know that before you go making stupid comments and amateurish videos calling on him to do anything.

You know, even though your kids(if you really have any) will never get drafted to fight in Iraq, I would have no problem with you fleeing to Canada just the same. I'll even help you pack.

"The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer."- Theodore Roosevelt

05/07/08 12:02 pm

Sabrin touched the nerve (Iraq nerve) with some.


Iraq War is not beyond discussions even for Republicans. It is notable that Dr. Sabrin would start this discussion now. Senator McCain needs to really readjust for the general elections.

05/07/08 12:16 pm

Dino...


No ones after our kids??? Service won't be voluntary for much longer especially on a "100 year" plan. Luckily these have been defeated but not by much and they will keep trying.

H. R. 163 To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

H. R. 4752 To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

-----

Honestly, if the war wasn't illegal, if there was a Declaration of War, then I may be more o'kay with it. "Extremely personal" may hinder ones ability to think rationally...that's what I'm afraid of. As for stupid comments and amateurish videos, I'm not involved...but hey, they do try. I see it like it is and speak from experience. Not once have I disrespected and insulted you or your intelligence --there have been a few of your posts that I have enjoyed reading, you like Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, and Louis Prima and you're an accountant whereas I can't balance my own check book. I give credit where credit is due. I ask for the same in return even when having a heated discussion. There is and was no reason for your lack of respect toward another. Those in glass houses should not throw stones. Enough already.

05/07/08 12:51 pm

Quinni24


I love the citation to HR 163 and 4752. Of course, you do know that those two resolutions were sponsored by Charles Rangel - and not by any Republican. As you also note, they were defeated. You omit to mention, however, that they were defeated 4 and 2 years ago, respectively. But don't worry, next time the D's try to institute the draft, Republicans will again thwart their efforts.

FYI, it is themselves, not "them selfs"

05/07/08 3:30 pm

Come On, Quinni


Referencing the Charlie Rangel bills on the draft is ludicrous and completely neutralizes your own argument.  Also, Congress voted to allow the use of force, so a formal Declaration of War was not necessary.  Besides, this is old news.  We need to talk about how to win the war so we can bring our troops home as quickly as possible.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

05/07/08 3:42 pm