March 17, 2008 - 4:42pm

Pennacchio: What of it?

Some of the ideas Joe Pennacchio wrote 17 years ago may seem unusual – or to Republican rival Murray Sabrin, even “fascist.”

But Pennacchio said they’re nothing more than ideas he penned years before he held public office. Some, he says, have been proven to be good ideas. Others he’s “evolved” beyond.

The important thing, Pennacchio says, is that even before he entered the political realm, he was thinking of ways to help his country.

“Keep in mind that was written by a non-politician as a series of position papers for my own edification. I bound them together, paid for it myself and it wasn’t published,” said Pennacchio. “All it shows is that even 18 years ago I was thinking about the problems that affect this country and how we deal with them.”

Perhaps the most controversial idea raised in the booklet is to house the homeless population on military bases on a temporary basis. Pennacchio insists that he did not intend for it to be mandatory—that the homeless could come and go as they pleased.

“It’s not internment,” he said.

Moreover, Pennacchio said, changing the color of money every couple years isn’t that bad an idea, and noted that the government has recently redesigned currency several times to thwart Counterfeiters.

Although Pennacchio frequently cites what he says is the positive legacy of Ronald Reagan on the campaign trial, in the paper he dismisses Reagan’s trickle-down theory as “voodoo economics.” But Pennacchio said that he was really criticizing George H. W. Bush, who was president at the time he wrote the work.

Pennacchio also noted that he included several ideas in which to seek alternatives to fossil fuel – a good idea that holds true today.

But there were some ideas expressed in the book that Pennacchio has since left behind. He no longer supports reevaluating the second amendment, for instance, and says that he no longer believes that the drug RU-486 provides an alternative to surgical abortions.

“If anything there are more 'therapeutic' abortions than there are surgical abortions, and that’s now how I thought it would evolve,” he said. “It wound up being another form of birth control, and that’s not what the intent was.”

Pennacchio said that his rival for the GOP nomination, Murray Sabrin, is not one to talk, considering he once ran for governor as a Libertarian.

“Murray Sabrin was part of a third party himself that promulgates legalized drug use and prostitution,” he said.

EARLIER: Sabrin calls for Pennacchio to drop out

EARLIER: Jersey Joe's '91 "Nationalist Agenda"

Comments

Sabrin?????


Isn't he the wacko who wrote a book that stated we would all be better off if we lived on Gilligan's Island???????? I will take Jersey Joe any day of trhe week.

03/17/08 5:33 pm

Thinking of Ways to Ruin the Country


Yeah Pennacchio was thinking about political philosophy...it just happens to be a muddle of nationalism, fascism, and protectionism. This election offers a clear choice. Do we want the GOP to be a big government, welfare-warfare state Party, or do we want to build on Reagan's legacy of cutting spending, taxation, and the size and scope of the federal government. Sabrin, not Pennacchio, is the true conservative in this race.

03/17/08 5:36 pm

Please spare us


I this Sabrin is Cukoo for cocoa puffs!

03/17/08 5:42 pm

Jersey Joe is Delusional


He cant possibly think he can stay in the race and contribute effectively after this.

03/17/08 5:54 pm

Sabrin's the Cukoo One? Are you Serious?


Sabrin is a traditional conservative who believes that the government should confine itself to its Constitutional limits. Pennacchio is the one who is acting like a nutjob believing that the government should establish a totalitarian regime.

03/17/08 6:00 pm

The wheels are falling off...


...Jersey Joe's wagon. First he loses Gloucester because a certain young campaign staffer wasn't smart enough to stay away from certain people and now this...

03/17/08 6:03 pm

Nationalism vs National Socialism


Both Hitlery and Osama Obama embrace national socialism.

Taking the homless out of the cold in winter time seems a good thing to do  vs  taking our money and driving us into the poor house like the Dems want to do. .

03/17/08 7:15 pm

Indefensible


Jersey Joke cant live this one down. Save us the trouble Joe and do the right thing.

03/17/08 7:31 pm

Word is coming...


That senior GOP state officials will get Pennacchio out. Stay tuned.

03/17/08 7:43 pm

Confused


I'm confused as to how some of you could be so lax about this. Have you read the whole manifesto yet? And let me remind you that this issue isn't about Sabrin so please stop with the copy/past of irrelevant postings. Come up with some real answers to the problem.

"What of it?" Did he really say that? If so, the man really lacks class and professionalism. He's starting to sound like Tony Soprano.

 

03/17/08 8:44 pm

Joe Is Against Liberty


Anyone who has read Joe's Nationalist Manifesto will clearly see that he wishes to put into place a police state. He speaks of military camps, abolishing free trade and replacing it with a protectionist agenda, degredation of the 2nd amendment, a reigning in of free speech, an increase in the size of the IRS, and this is just the beginning of a long list.

As far as his claim that he didn't mean that the homeless would be forced into the camps is flat out false. Here is a direct quote from his "Nationalist Agenda":

"Taking these people and separating them into various military camps would be a first step in the mainstreaming of our homeless back into society."

This sounds oddly like social programming. It sounds like the rounding up and imprisonment of homeless in military camps for "retraining" to become productive members of society. Anyone who believes in this kind of fascist solution does not belong in office.

Sean Colon

Vice Chair, NJ Libertarian Party

03/17/08 9:10 pm

This is beyond absurd.


First off, I remember not long ago when a couple people here were trying to get Ron Paul to quit based on "racist" comments that was published in a paper with his name on it. He never wrote them himself, but those few trolls here tried in vain to make that arguement.

 Yet, here we are, with evidence of a travesty against what the core principals of the Republican Party are, and those very same people are trying to excuse away this document.

 HYPOCRACY I tell you.

 Obviously those who try and explain "Joe Penn's" ideas away as nothing of consequence surely are part of the liberal republican machine, and we now know for sure not to even pay mind to anything which comes from your mouths.

  One dosen't have to examine the document completely to see what his ideals are. Lets just examine the first 30.

 Pg 5 "First Step should be getting rid of our constant need for elections. Expand terms to 6 years."

 This alone is absurd. The system in terms of elections cycles is fine. We all cry foul when we are stuck with officials we don't like for 3, or sometimes 4 years. Do you really think expanding terms to 6 years is going to improve anything?

 PG 8. "Americans do not trust their elected officials when it comes to dividing the national pie.  Its an every man for yourself attitude. Naturally, special interests with the biggest clout get  the biggest pieces. The Nationalist party sees the answer in not chopping the pie into smaller pieces, but in helping to make a bigger pie."

 Translation: Bigger Pie = Bigger Government and More Entitlements. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this doesn't align with the party principles of limited government.

 PG 10.  "The Nationalists believe that the Amer. Taxpayer has carried the burden too long.  We believe a combination of substantial cuts in existing spending, better collection methods, along with a program of investment stimulation will help get our country out of this economic mess."

 Although the first part of this statement is acurate, the heavy burden of taxes, as well as the cuts in spending, but I question what he really means by "better collection methods". The IRS on numerous occasions already oversteps its bounds, raiding people's places of residence at gun point, often sending some to jail, confiscating property. The best part, half the time, its the IRS who was wrong, not the "tax payer" but try getting your seized property back, and erase the horrible memories from your children's minds about being assaulted with men in black SWAT style gear, pointing semi automatic rifles at your 9 and 10 year olds.

 Also, what right does the government have to start up a program of investment stimulation. Have we not realized already, any stimulous package that the government creates, has been a failure. Look at what the fed has been doing as of late, and watch as the value of the dollar keeps plumeting because of it. 

 PG 13 (In reference to a Constitutional Convention, article V) "Clarification to the right to bear arms provision in our constitution.  Owning a gun would carry a greater responsibility. Saturday Night Specials and deadly ammunition would be eliminated. Law abiding individuals would still be allowed to own their registered weapons."

 I think the right to bear arms is pretty clear. Why the hell in the world to we need to have a "clarification" outlawing "deadly ammunition". Notice to everyone: ALL AMMUNITION IS DEADLY. Thats why our Fore Fathers wanted us to have the right to bear arms: To protect ourselves, family, rights, and property. A properly handled fire arm can kill anyone, regardless of caliber. Are we supposed to only have rubber bullets? Also take note that there was no actual clarity here as to what "laws" would be changed. 

 Also on PG 13 "Article VII Equal Rights Amendment where it is noted that women are equal but physically different. This would allow for equal pay for equal work but would prevent women from taking on jobs of which they are not physically able."

 This is a waste of legislative time. Just like not all men are built alike, same holds true for women. I know some farm girls that could do anything short of peeing while standing. Who is going to decide what jobs a woman can or cannot do? Just enforce the laws currently provided in the Constitution. Its a "civil rights" issue, not a black rights issue, or woman rights issue, or gay rights issue. Its CIVIL RIGHTS, we are all GUARANTEED THE SAME... 

  PGs 19 and 20 (In reference to “National plan to reduce the deficit” Article IV) "Restriction of udnerground economy. Estimates are that the GNP of the underground economy runs  into the hundreds of billions of dollars. If we conservatively say 200 billion and if the taxes of this would be %40 (Federal, state, local) then collecting these funds would  increase our tax base by about 80 Billion Dollars. This underground economy is america’s black market. All transactions are done in cash.  The easiest way to stop this cash economy is  is to exchange all present money for new colored money In the future do this periodically

PG 20. Every number of years. Colored the money from green to blue for instance would  cause fits for this illegal black market. The money would be turned over to banks and in return new colored money would be issued.  Any amount over 1,000.00 would be reported to the IRS.. The government would realize an immediate tax increase from all the money that would be deposted.  A side benefit would be law enforcements ability to recognize illegal activities such as narcotics and gambling."

So your telling me that the government is going to monitor every person's wealth, and if they even suspect that there might be something illegitimate they're going to notify the IRS, who of course, we know, will come and investigate/interrogate and possibly confiscate. So if I personally put aside money under my mattress, and then I go and "change it in" when the new currency comes out, it best not be in excess of a 1,000.00 or I'll have to hire an attorney to protect my interests. Remember, in the world of the IRS, your already guilty until proven innocent. This is just an expansion of their powers, powers which need to be restricted already.

 PG 24. "Article X Creative Revenue Enhancements.  For lack of a better word, they could be called Tax Gimmickeries. The fact that they cost the government very little and can generate a lot of money should make us pause to look into them."

 The federal government is not in the business of playing games with tax gimmicks. The Revenue Code is already beyond most people's comprehension. This does nothing to ease it for people, not by a long shot.

 PG 24 Cont: National Lottery

 Are You kidding me? Is not the IRS a big enough beaurocracy already? Despite Mr. Penn's claims that it would only add a small office staff and secretary, what right does the Federal Government have to get into EXPANDING and already out of control agency?  Also, despite his belief that it would cost almost nothing, I beg to differ. Everytime government is expanded, it costs more money.

 PG 25. Article XI. Gifting Delinquint Accounts.  ….excert "The Nationalist Party proposes that  businesses be allowed to gift court awarded judgements to the  IRS for collections.  If the IRS manages to collect these deadbeat funds, then the companys would be able to have a %10 tax deduction. This could turn out to be a very lucrative plum for the government worth billions of dollars"

 Yet again expanding the powers of the IRS... I need not gripe here anymore about this travesty against the American People.

 PG 27 In reference to Minority Mainstreaming…

 This next section is just beyond the pail. I know many people of differing ethnicities, and just like we have white trash, they have their own delinquent people within their cultures. But to try and "Assimilate" them into main stream, I ask, what is the definition of "Main Stream"? Who is going to set the standard? What right does the government have to "Force" assimilation on people? Sure, we all encourage it, but who is going to define the "american standard" for which we all need to assimilate too?

 Something else to ponder. Since we all come from differing backgrounds to begin with, "assimilation" is going to have a different interpretation to different people. Are we going to set up a set of standards to guage how much a person has assimilated? I know a few people of differing backgrounds that live the "Hip Hop" lifestyle. Are they going to be blacklisted as not assimilating even though they hold careers, have homes, wives, children, and are productive contributors to society in general?

This is just too much, and it seems that its an attack on minorities for not being "white enough".

 PG 30. “Government will standardize education."

 Republicans once ran under the ideal of abolishing the department of education. Clearly this statement proves that Mr. Penn wishes to maintain that status quo, and perhaps attempt to justify its existance even more by allowing them more control. Surely this is another expansion of government vs. reduction in its size.

 Thats just the first 30 pages. It gets better the deeper you go, but I assure you, Joe Pennacchio is hardly republican by any standard, and for anyone to even attempt to defend these ideals, only reveals yourself as a liberal as well.

  What the party needs is a serious house cleaning, where all liberal republicrats are thrown out and sent packing back to democrats. It is people of this political persuasion that have ruined the republican party in the past 20 years, and they need to find refuge elsewhere now.

 Real leadership means having the courage to point out fatal flaws in some of the best laid plans. Saving the party by enlarging our "tent" has been a horrible idea, one which needs to immediately come to an end. 

03/17/08 9:39 pm

Attention all Republicans


News flash: Sabrin supporters dominate blogs, just like Paul supporters, and look where it got him.  Have no fear, Jersey Joe will weather the storm.

03/17/08 10:45 pm

Jersey Joe becomes ... Jersey Joke


I am sorry but I missed this altogether today. What is that? Jersey Joe wrote a book with his ideas. What ideas? What book? And even better he sent it out. Was it published? Luckily no, but somebody kept a copy. I do not really have time to read junk, but those excerpts (call them executive summaries) sound pretty good. It is Jersey Joke now. Yes, it is time to fold the campaign and go to the bin of history. Sorry Joe. No not sorry. Next time know what you are asking for. Jersey Joke for US Senate. Please, can we stop being embarassed in NJ by NJ politicians? Anything in there about threesome?

03/17/08 10:51 pm

Joe will Not Ride out The Storm...


The NJ Republican leadership will make sure he gracefully steps aside and soon.

03/17/08 10:54 pm

Big Story? Not in Jersey


As expected, this Pennacchio story was buried in this morning's paper.  The biggest story is, of course, McGreevey's mess and the socialist proposal to have everyone in the state getting health insurance (who the hell is going to pay for that?!?!).  Simply put, the "Penn Papers" are a non-story in NJ.

And any Sabrin supporters who think that state GOP leaders are going to drop Pennacchio in favor of Sabrin are sadly deluded, particularly in light of Sabrin's call to run is own slate of candidates on every ballot.  Timing is everything and Sabrin should've played the "Penn Papers" card before proclaiming his independence from the state party.

The bottom line is that 17 years ago, a dentist interested, but not involved in politics put some ideas on paper.  Some of them were pretty good; others downright absurd.  But then, 17 years ago I was a recent college grad living in my parent's house and voting, for the most part, Democratic.  Hey, we all grow up (or at least, most of us do!).

Lastly, the furor over Pennacchio's idea for voluntary work camps for the homeless strikes me as silly because 70 years ago, the United States had voluntary camps similiar to those proposed by Pennacchio.  They were called the Civilian Conservation Corps, one of FDR's most popular programs.  It gave young Americans the opportunity to learn a trade in a military-style work camp while earning a small stipend that was sent home to Mom.  Would such a program work today?  Dunno, but the bottom line is that Rudy Giuliani didn't need such a program to make tens of thousands of homeless people in New York City disappear in the mid-1990s.  And that goes to show you that good old-fashioned capitalism works better than socialism every day.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

03/18/08 7:53 am

Sabrin Freaks:


Please just go away.  Go finance a blimp or something.

03/18/08 4:06 pm

How about this.


How about the Liberal Rino's that Hijacked the party GO AWAY instead for a change.

You people DO NOT speak on the behalf of Republican Voters statewide.

Why don't you guys go finance another unconstitutional war in another 3rd world country. Oh wait, your trying that already with Iran.

 

03/18/08 4:52 pm

Actually, I do


In the New Jersey Republican Presidential primary, Ron Paul received 4.81 percent of the vote.

 That means 95.19 percent of the statewide Republican Party thinks you're crazy.  But we're just ignorant, right?

03/19/08 2:10 pm