May 2, 2007 - 12:27pm

Star-Ledger: McGreevey will become Episcopal Priest

The Star-Ledger is reporting that former Gov. James E. McGreevey has converted to the Episcopal faith and has begun a process to become an Episcopal Priest. 

Star-Ledger: "McGreevey, who often described himself as a devout Catholic while in public office, was officially received into the Episcopal religion on Sunday, at St. Bartholomew's Church in Manhattan, and is now part of the church's 'discernment' phase that usually precedes any seminary work, said the Rev. Kevin Bean, vicar at St. Bartholomew."

Comments

Oh My God


It's like McGreevey is being advised by the writers of Saturday Night Live.

05/02/07 1:18 pm

WOW


Do u laugh or do u cry? This would b very funny if it were not so obscene.

05/02/07 1:57 pm

The ultimate in self gratification


The mantra of the Progressive socialists is that definitions of morality etc, are what you want them to mean when they conflict with your agenda. This is the ultimate in hypocracy get this oops I dont qualify now to be a Catholic, let me try another. Mc Greevey and NJ perfect together defining deviancy downwards.

05/02/07 1:59 pm

Crackish


Although Jim Mac is not on crack, his actions can be described as CRACKISH!!! He is reaching for anything tangible these days. I think the man has serious regrets about resigning. What a fricking idiot. I am a die-hard Dem and I have NOOOOO respect for his past actions (inane resignation) or current shenanighans (sic!) and sick!!!

05/02/07 2:02 pm

what could possibly be next?


Transgender operation? Inter-species marriage? Please just stop the madness!!

05/02/07 2:33 pm

why not?


He could have been a lawyer rainmaker, or a lobbyist...but he's choosing to help others rather than help himself.

Pretty selfless, if you ask me.

05/02/07 2:35 pm

Church of Secular Indulgence


The American Episcopal Church is little more than a social club for the remnants of WASP aristocracy. It's survival now is based on reaching out to the self-imposed religously disenfranchised with a message of personal absolution, unity with the natural world and god, as a mere afterthought, being nothing more than an inner voice granting graces for "it feels good so do it" behavior. McGreevey apparently appreciates a motto that, much like Christ, "does not condemn you, either" yet, unlike Christ, opts not to tell you "to go forth and sin no more."

05/02/07 2:37 pm

The stuff of tragedy.


Like a lizard who is shedding his skin McGreevey is shedding any remnants of who he used to be. I feel sorry for his parents, and his children.

05/02/07 2:41 pm

mixed


part of me says "everyone -- including mcgreevy -- deserves the grace to ammend their life." the other part of me says "Him again?"

05/02/07 3:20 pm

will he be Reverend Gay


will he be Reverend Gay American?

05/02/07 3:54 pm

Phoney Priest in a Phoney Church


How fitting Impeach Bush? Only if the reason is that he violated his oath by refusing to close the border with Mexico and stop the invasion occurring there. If that were the reason I would say yes!

05/02/07 3:59 pm

Wow!


That's some pretty good hate for a major religious faith.

"The American Episcopal Church is little more than a social club for the remnants of WASP aristocracy."

"Phoney Priest in a Phoney Church"

Always something fun to see from the right.

05/02/07 4:26 pm

There is always room for


There is always room for another deviant in the Episcopal Church since repentance is not required for acceptance. I think that McGreevey bought the wrong plan for his life now he is trying to find his way back in the wrong church. So sad. :( Republican Conscience

05/02/07 4:43 pm

nj dems r corrupt


U r a pig. Ever notice the loudest protesters r the very ones guilty of what they protest? (Newt, Cunningham, etc...)  Could it b u r gay?  Hmmm...

05/02/07 5:24 pm

Walkdown, do you mean new


Walkdown, do you mean new jersey democrats are not corrupt? or is Jim McGreedy not gay? Let me guess, you voted for Bob the Torch and Jim "Machiavelli" McGreevey. Ever notice that idiots consistently vote for corrupt politicians? Or are you a crook yourself? Hmmm...

05/02/07 5:44 pm

Jim McGreevey


Mr. Gay American has found religion. This is either hilarious or pathetic.

 And I thought we were the laughing stock of America when he resigned. What will Jon Stewart and other comedians do with this?

05/02/07 6:36 pm

Sadness for the Faithful


Unbelievable! What is next? Sainthood?

05/02/07 6:43 pm

McGreevey's Daughter


I feel really bad for The McGreevey's daughter who is caught in the middle of this circus. Both Jim and Dina McGreevey are selfish, careless, thoughtless, self-serving individuals.

That poor kid is probably going be in  therapy for the rest of her life!

 

"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton

05/02/07 7:28 pm

Let's see here


One day after taking the limelight away from him, this thin-lipped, bottom feeding lowlife figures why not announce I'm going to become an Episcopal priest, even though I haven't even gotten into a theological program yet.

OK -- two words for the McGreevey's.  GO AWAY!!!!!

This egotistical bas---d can't get enough of it.  Poor little Jimmy.  So persecuted.  Please apologize for making the state look like an ass in front of the world and please crawl back under the rock you came from and gie us a break.

Hey - you really are a pathetic loser Jimmy boy.

05/03/07 12:03 pm

Imagine Being On The Committee


Let’s think about this for a second . . . he has now entered a “discernment� phase. Discernment is a synonym for the wrongly eviscerated term, “discrimination.� It simply means the marked ability to perceive what is not evident on it’s face.

So, a discerning individual is one who can grasp and comprehend what is obscure to many others. And, according to Webster’s, “discernment stresses accuracy (as in reading character or motives or appreciating art).�

One wonders if the process of discerning in this phase is focused on the individual’s ability to discern what he or she is about in seeking such an elevated status, or on the Church’s ability to discern what the individual is about in ultimately embracing that person (or not) for a possible role as a priest within the fold? Perhaps it is both – a mutual discernment, or meeting of the minds?

Well, according to the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, it is decidedly the former. They state that a Committee, under strict rules of privacy, is formed to help the person through an intense process of self awareness, and to support whatever decision they make, but not to make an evaluation of the person’s qualifications:

[T]he Discernment Committee serves as a support system for the aspirant in his/her discernment process. In that context, the committee should encourage the aspirant to engage in a process of profound and honest self-examination and exploration regarding ordination, and should uphold and support an aspirant's decision either to pursue ordination or to live out his/her ministry calling without ordination. The role of the exploration committee is NOT to evaluate the aspirant's qualifications for ordination, but rather to help the aspirant gain greater self-awareness and a deeper understanding of his or her call to ministry, whether ordained or not.

Because we have all been involuntarily dragged through this for so long, it is almost too easy to make jokes about this latest iteration in the never ending saga.  Imagine being on the Committee?!!  Would you not have to wonder . . . why this latest publicity offensive for what is ordinarily thought of as such a humble calling?

by Trochilus

05/03/07 12:17 pm

Conversion Experience


Perhaps the former governor has had a conversion experience. St. Paul of Tarsus was a politician (albeit low-level) for Rome in his time. He saw the blinding light of Christ on the road to Damascus and became Christianity's greatest promoter.

Maybe McGreevey has also seen the light. Pehaps he has a message to heal New Jersey's fractured Christianity.

Modern theological rumor has it that Paul was also gay. So there you go. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

05/03/07 1:07 pm

Nice Rhetoric


"That's some pretty good hate for a major religious faith."

It's pretty typical of a lib to put down people in traditional christian faiths and denounce them as bigots.

Actually, the American Episcopal Church is coming very close to no longer being recognized by the church's governing council because traditionally, it teaches homosexuality is a sin just like all other traditional christian denominations.

Not being a fan of organized religion either way I don't really care but at the same time, I'm not about to put anybody else down because of their faith.  

"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton

05/03/07 2:38 pm

If He Would Just Keep It To Himself


Perhaps, jbennett. 

But perhaps we -- who have had to witness him repeatedly and very publicly renouncing each of his core attachments, his family twice, his party, his sexuality, his Governorship -- are simply seeing that he has found himself yet another pathway to public recognition?

By the way, not to quibble about whether Paul was a politician, but he was a mohair tent maker by training who said he, as a devotee of the Pharisees, persecuted the Christians before his conversion. He certainly was not a Roman politician, though he was a citizen.

Now as for Jim, perhaps he was just soooo enthusiastic, that he felt the urgent need to let everyone know about it in spades, rather than just quietly going about reestablishing his life.  Most would agree, I think, that this latest information got out there because Jim McGreevey very much wanted it to be out there.

And, of course, we haven't heard any of the elements your highly suppositional version of events from him -- all we've heard about is that he's on the road to becoming an Episcopal priest, the focus being on the soon-to-be status, and not on the faith.

Then too, there is your novel guess about him possibly bringing a fractured New Jersey back to the Christian fold – but through New York? Why not through the Newark Diocese? Let me guess – your going to attribute that to mysterious ways?

As to your “modern theological rumor� that Paul was gay? Well, thanks for that input! Based on what? His writings? Like, I Cor. 6:9-10, or Rom. 1:24-27, or even Acts 15:29?

Look, jb, many of us wish Jim well.  But if he could just keep it to himself!

by Trochilus

05/03/07 3:47 pm

Mr. Democrat


Are you that naive' or just the biggest idiot that ever lived. Doing good for others? The only one Jim McGreevey did anything for was himself or Golan or those countless folks in rest areas, bookstores, etc. You are as pathetic as he is. Good in everyone, huh? Jim - if this is you - ask all the folks you screwed along the way in your holier than thou attitude. Take responsibility for your own actions. People hate your guts. Go away!

05/03/07 3:54 pm

I can see it now...


McGreevy working with altar boys. OH MY GOD!!! It's like an alchoholic becoming a bartender!

05/04/07 12:01 am

Trochilus- As for keeping


Trochilus- As for keeping it to himself - the Epsicopal preisthood is effectively a path to obscurity.

05/04/07 9:59 am

Astute Observation There, JB!


Huh . . . so I see!

Every major newspaper in the State, and several out of State (e.g., the NY Post), took up the Star-Ledger's lead and published a follow-up story about it, most of them right up on page one. Writers were falling all over one another trying to coin the best header. 

Yep, quite an astute observation there, jb!

My point was and is that the guy seemingly can't help himself -- he just keeps finding ways to get his name in the press. And I am sure I am not alone in predicting that no doubt that he will continue to do so, by finding new ways to weasel his way into print. This won't be the end, as your comment suggests.

And it doesn't seem to matter whether it is good publicity or not, nor does it matter who he uses to seek the publicity.

But don't just take my word for it. Here was a comment posted on the BlueJersey website version of the story, posted there by commenter, EWO:

As you say, he has never come clean about the real reasons for his downfall. Given that fact, as well as ongoing revelations that are coming out of his messy divorce and his wife's book, it is hard not to wonder whether this is just another manipulative and fundamentally dishonest display having more to do with rehabilitating his image before the the public than his relationship with his Maker. Only God, of course, knows his heart -- and there is plenty of reason to suspect that McGreevey himself doesn't understand his own motivations. But given the raised eyebrows over his teaching an ethics course at Kean College, he ought to at least understand the awkward position he puts his newly adopted Church in. I don't fault the church/seminary leaders for accepting him into the program, and perhaps the lengthy process will clarify the issues all around. But his willingness to involve his new Church in the public controversies raging around him leads me to suspect that it's still all about Jim McGreevey.

Does that make me too judgemental?

By the way, for what it's worth, I do not believe it makes you too judgmental, EWO.  Good sound judgment is a very good thing in my book.  Now, I suspect that I might disagree with EWO on a whole host of other topics.  But, on this one, I simply could not put it better myself.

by Trochilus

05/04/07 1:29 pm

Unbelievable


What an arrogant Putz!!!!!

05/04/07 7:34 pm

Democrats


Another typical low-life Democrat.

05/29/07 1:51 pm