Residency could be the issue of the week in the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate. According to a report from Politics1.com, four-term incumbent Frank Lautenberg claimed a homestead property tax exemption by declaring his Washington, D.C. condo as his permanent residence, and notes that a concierge at Lautenberg’s Bergen County condo says that he rarely stayed there over the last few years and “only recently began using the apartment again in the last couple of months.” Lautenberg’s wife lives in New York City, where she is registered to vote.
Lautenberg's office says the Senator did not take a homestead property tax exemption for his place in Washington, and said that a D.C. government computer system error mistakenly gave tax breaks to people that did not qualify. Lautenberg, his office says, uses his New Jersey condo when he's not in Washington and picks up his own mail there.
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Plot Thickens
Now only if we could speak to his housekeeper, that would seal the day!
the problem is...
If someone a) doesn't live in the state they represent and b) doesn't visit much of that state, how are they supposed to be in touch with constituent concerns and needs? How is that senator supposed to understand open space concerns in Cherry Hill, why school budgets didn't pass in Hunterdon Co., how private and public interests are sometimes battling each other in the Northwest region, and the high price of peaches in Salem Co. if that senator doesn't even live in the state he represents?
From the article: "The concierge at Lautenberg's NJ condominium building in Bergen County told our source that Lautenberg rarely visited the premises in the last couple of years and only began using the apartment again in the last couple of months. The concierge said that Lautenberg’s office sends a staffer to pick up his mail each week. By the way, Lautenberg also owns a $2 million ski chalet in Vail, Colorado." Let's get this straight: Lautenberg used a property-tax exemption by claiming his D.C. condo as his home, hasn't lived in his Bergen Co. condo for years, and spends his time between his wife's Manhattan apartment, his ski chalet in Colorado, and his Martha's Vineyard vacation home in Mass.-- that is, when he isn't at his permanent home in Washington D.C.
Incidentally, a few weeks ago, I did some research on Lautenberg's whereabouts and residency, and came up with these findings: http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7569
One voice, one state: Unite for Andrews 2008!http://www.robandrewsforchange.com/
This issue sunk Tom Daschle
This was a major issue for Tom Daschle, when he was defeated by Thune, the similarities are eery: When Tom and Linda Daschle purchased their $2 million home in Washington, D.C., in April 2003, they filed for the District's "homestead deduction" — a tax break that saved the Daschles a whopping $288 in property taxes last year. Unfortunately for the South Dakota senator, however, the homestead exemption is applicable only to properties that serve as primary places of residence. By signing the application form for the deduction, and thereby claiming eligibility for the tax break, Daschle identified the mansion at 2830 Foxhall Road NW as his primary residence.
Lautenerg is hiding
under the CALABRESE bed in Cliffside Park
What problem
Even if he's not a resident of New Jersey today, he just has to be a resident as of the date he is elected. I assume he can meet that requirement based upon the fact he obviously owns an apartment in Bergen.
Whether he has a voter fraud problem or an insurance fraud problem, that is another issue.
Robert Andrews lives in Camden County!
I'm 100% sure of this!
He never spends the night in D.C. and he never works any overtime in the Capital.
He is home for dinner in Haddon Heights every day by 3:30pm ; just in time to check in with Boss Norcross.
How does he vote for himself
how can frank claim his primary residence is in DC and vote in NJ (if he does) this is very Ourylike with the Florida and voting out of Edgewater - what ever happened to that?
Six Years Between Elections
This is what happens when elections are too far apart. Yeah, he's begun using his condo recently because he has a primary battle to contend with.
Otherwise, he wouldn't be in this State until after Labor Day.
You could understand the Senators from Alaska or Hawaii staying in DC for long stretches. But, c'mon... DC is less than 4 hours by train.
It is more serious than that!
Frank has lied to all NJ voters. That has been confirmed now. How can he represent NJ blue collar and working people if he does not live here?
Frank should return all his earnings from his Senate job, just like he asked Andrews to do . Let's be Frank about it!
Frank does not qualify to be reelected!
Oh please
This report smacks of desperation from the Andrews Camp-I am not surprised that it landed here considering how pro-Andrews this cite has become. I agree however that Andrews attendance in Washington is terrible, he is home to meet with is boss and benefactor George Norcross every day by 3:30-there is something to be said about keeping in tune with your district its another thing to be absent from your job. VOters send Andrews to do a job and his lackluster performance and lackluster devotion to it only adds to the case agaisnt him. Congressman and Senators should not have the time to make a 2 hour commute everyday.
Question...
Even if Lautenberg received the rebate through some wacky computer mix-up, did he give it back? Gee, I wish some government computer error would turn out in my favor! These things happen all the time, you know. Especially to millionaires who own property in four states. It gets confusing trying to figure out where your "permanent residence" should be.
Motes and Beams
If this kind of silly petty nonsense is all the Andrews campaign "has" on Lautenberg; then Frank's in great shape.
Meanwhile the fundamental questions as to the ethical/moral legitimacy of the whole Andrews candidacy remain unanswered!
Why is it that Robert Amdrews (or any of his supporters/enablers/handlers/spokespeople for that matter) isn't able, or willing to answer the following simple specific questions on the subject of how and why Rob Andrews came to be a candidate.
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1) Do you disagree, in any way, with what all your colleagues in the New Jersey congressional delegation have told us about the dinner meeting you took part in, at which you all agreed and gave your word to refrain from a primary challenge?
2) After the meeting did you feel obligated to honor your word as given?
3) At what point in time (assuming that your answer to the last question was "yes".) did you start to have questions about honoring your word?
4) What were those questions and what brought them on?
5) At, precisely, what point in time did you decide to run against Lautenberg?
6) Was this a decision you came to on your own?
7) Or were the views of other people solicited?
8) Did other people contact you to "recruit you" to run?
9) If your decision was made in conjunction with other people, what were the understandings/conditions that were reached between you and them?
10) Specifically, what was the content of your discussions with Norcross and Adubato?
11) Why did they support your run?
12) Were any specific quid pro quo's discussed?
13) Or was it just implicitly understood that it would be good for them in the future if you were to become a Senator?
14) It was widely reported that Joe Ferriero was supporting your candidacy, but then backed off when it seemed it might cost him more in the short run than he might gain by staying loyal to you; are these reports true?
15) Was Ferriero backing you?
16) If yes, then why?
17) What was in it for Joe?
18) Was it a matter of high principle that Ferriero was supporting you?
19) Or a matter of political opportunism?
20) If the former; how do you feel about Ferriero now that he's officially abandoned you?
21) Your campaign is thoroughly laced with implications that Frank Lautenberg is somehow too old to competently do his job; did you have any factual proof/knowledge of this before you announced?
22) If yes, when did you get it and why didn't you share it immediately with the public?
23) How do you justify making your announcement and filing at the last minute thereby precluding any response from your potential rivals who would have also run if they had known the agreement was "busted"?
24) You've claimed that the reason you violated your word and broke the agreement was because Lautenberg, somehow, was't holding up his end....you made vague statements about how he wasn't being sufficiently vigorous in his campaigning; but, prior to your primary challenge on April 2nd there was no active campaign (the Republicans were/are in virtually total disarray)....so how do you justify your failure to inform Lautenberg and the rest of your colleagues of your alleged concerns prior to dropping the bomb of your announcement?
Until you answer these questions in great and specific detail; your campaign has zero credibility.
PS In the event that Congressman Andrews fails to answer all these questions it is my hope that the NJ press corps actually does its job and presses for detailed responses. (Wally, that means you. ;-)
From Frederick Douglass
Martin, You're A Smart Informed Andrews Fan...
...can you please ask Rob Andrews to answer the 24 questions posted above relating to how and why and when he became a senate candidate?
Surely the Democratic primary voters have a right to know the details of how, when and why he cecame a candidate if they are to be able to evaluate whether his actions were ethical? Eh?
These questions have been out there since he announced his candidacy.
Every day he evades/ducks these questions is a day in which he is damned by his own silence.
From Frederick Douglass
ZIMMER has an UNANUE problem T-O-O! Zimmer doesn't live in NJ!
As you can see from this press release, the chickens are coming home to roost for both Zimmer and Lautenberg:
http://www.politickernj.com/georgeajjan/19578/zimmer-and-lautenberg-don-...
I can't believe the (actually I can believe) the corrupt party bosses didn't check him out before having him jump into the race!
I bet you Dick Zimmer is out of the race by the end of this week with this type of news.
Frank Went NY Some Time Ago
He left his wife and family in North Jersey years ago for the better climate of Fifth Avenue in NYC. Just like many politicians in past years, Frank considers NYC the 22nd County in New Jersey.
The voter are used to this. Won't make a difference.
Another Zimmer Joke
Dick hasn't been in NJ since he lost his old district in 2000 to freshman Democrat Rush Holt. I mean I would be embarassed and stay away from the state too if I lost in a Republican district to a liberal Democrat!
The rolodex is closed NJGOP! Perhaps next time you should find a candidate who lives in New Jersey, doesnt have business lawsuits and can speak publicly on the issues.
martinone...
...excellent research and points. And on that issue of open space in Cherry Hill--I'm from Haddonfield--and I would *love* to see someone stop the suburban expansion and congestion.
What the hey?
Does Frank live in NJ or what? I'm tired of drive by shootings and drive by candidates!
The Petty Residency Attack is a Loser....
The fact is that Lautenberg is a legal resident of NJ and is legally entitled to be a Senator and to run for re-election here.
Now that that is settled, try answering the 24 questions posed above.
Rob Andrews is dirty. And his candidacy is founded on a flimsy tissue of deceit and betrayal.
The elephant remains in the room.
From Frederick Douglass
thanks
Thanks, MCJ, for the kind words, and it's always good to meet another Haddonfield resident on here. Regarding Lautenberg's residency, or the lack thereof, I do think it is a legitimate issue because it fits into a narrative: Lautenberg is revealing himself to be an out-of-touch incumbent who doesn't even live in the state he represents, nor is he enmeshed in the lives of his constituents. For the campaign, he's run from any substantive debate with Andrews (the NJN and 101.5 debates hardly count), he's barely campaigning and instead letting Julie Roginsky speak for him, and he offers no legitimate justification for why he should be re-elected, substituting only negative attacks on Andrews instead.
We can do better as a state, New Jersey, and Rob Andrews presents a rare opportunity to better our position and standing in the senate.
MartinOne
"One voice, one state"
Way to totally misappropriate hard-right fetishist rhetoric for a Democrat - I like your moxy.
Martin
You are possibly the most progressive minded person on this cite and you want to put Rob Andrews in the Senate? Explain to me how Frank is out of touch-I cant ever remember you complaining about his service in the Senate prior to Rob jumping in. Furthermore, how out of touch with NJ can you be? Rob pushed hard for the Iraq war. That seems out of touch-long after his constituents wanted the US out of Iraq Rob held tough. Rob is a bossed COngressman with a poor attendance record. By his own account he noted that some votes "arent critical" in the House. How is that moving forward, how is placing Rob Andrews in the Senate, with his bossed self serving motives, and his frenetic ambition a move forward from Frank Lautenberg-a man that has faithfully served all citizens of NJ, and been a flag bearer for the Democratic Party. Lets suppose that Rob wins, once he is there he will forget about Jersey and jocky for a cabinet post, VP, Pres, (or King Emperor Czar the Norcross machine only looks up and in they could care less about what happens in NJ. They only care about how much public money they can get their hands on)-he has been out of touch with NJ his entire career and always in touch with his corrupt benefactors
Because you canty post under quotes
The FL quote about being Vice President is taken out of context on this cite. The Hill newspaper asked every Senator besides Barack, Hillary, and John. Most answered with a joke-Frank was no exception. Taken out of context it makes Frank look smug and entitled. For the record Menendez answered the question as well. Carper and Lieberman made the best jokes.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senators-say-whether-theyd-agree-to-...
SJBlue
In many of my comments on the other site (BlueJersey), I've said repeatedly that I'll support Lautenberg, should he be the nominee. I hope that you'd do the same with a Senator Andrews. To be frank, you're repeating Republican memes towards Andrews, though, and I find this suprising for someone as circumspect and thoughtful as you. For example, you claim that Andrews is a Norcross puppet, but nothing could be further from the truth; we locals in CC know that there even was a time when they weren't even on speaking terms. And the independent congressional watchdog site Sourcewatch says: "Rob Andrews is one of the very few South Jersey Democratic politicians who are independent of party boss George Norcross III."
Regarding Iraq, both Lautenberg and Andrews supported the Iraq War initially, as did many New Jerseyans at the time. Lautenberg should not be lauded as a wise voice of reason at the time of the IWR, as he told Sean Hannity that he was "with the president" on the resolution, and he told an editorial board in 2002 that "“I agree with the president on the need to act militarily against Iraq." Andrews has a concrete, comprehensive plan to get us out of Iraq; to the best of my knowledge, Lautenberg has released no such comparable plan.
From what you write, I gather that your support of Lautenberg hinges on legislation from the 1980s, where Frank did some good work on getting smoking banned in airlines and other such legislation. But now, his halcyon days in the 80s notwithstanding, Lautenberg is hardly effective as a senator, and N.J. ranks dead last in terms of federal tax dollars returned to the state. My support for Andrews stems from my firm belief that he'll be a better advocate for the state and a more effective senator.
In the past few weeks, Lautenberg backed out of a debate at Stockton College, near your part of South Jersey. Do you approve of his ducking this debate and others, and when was the last time he was in Atlantic City and met with the council or even constituents to hear their concerns? Besides Lautenberg's refusal to have prime-time debates, I'm also curious as to whether you see his living in another state, like Congressman Smith does, as a problem in the least; I think it is problematic. I sincerely think we can do better as a state than currently under Lautenberg and consider Andrews a superior candidate in several regards.
Martin
Thanks for the reply, and likewise you are thoughtful and well versed with this business, which is why I find it so odd that you are supporting Andrews. I suppose that I would have to support Andrews over Zimmer, but in truth I find them to be akin in many respects. I would also note that in 2002 FL was not privy to intell that RA was. This makes RA much more liable for the IWR than FL, RA's comprehensive plan to remove us from Iraq is not new and or original, it is ripped from policy position papers drafted from by the Senate and House majority offices. Why hasnt he tried to introduce this comprehensive plan? As far as Norcross is concerend you and I both know that the small publicity based rift between GN and RA is a distant and forgotten memory by both men. If this is not obvious already, it was made obvious when Camile Andrews was put up as a place holder for her husband by no one other than GN himself. You are correct NJ receives much less than its fair share from the Feds. That said you and I also know that the House has far more authority on federal spending than the Senate. Rob has been terribly ineffective in this respect. Conversly, FL now sits on the Approps Committee and is better poised to get NJ funds. RA has been in Congress for 20 yrs and you nor anyone else can point to a single distinguishing accomplishment. I, as you noted, harken to the 80s acchivements but only as demonstration of accomplishment by FL. I have since supported his efforts for environmental protection (as demonstrated with his recent work with Frank Pallone), his work on the Homeland Security Committee (to secure risk based funding), his leadership on the dubai ports issue (which Andrews stood behind him on) and FL's being a constant and consistant thorn in GWB's side. As far as debates go FL agreed to big primetime debates on state-wide television and radio. The decline of the smaller debates at Stockton, WPU, etc..do not bother. Only a handful of people could possibley attend them. 10 debates between 2 candidates that have nothing to disagree about is silly. As far as the Stockton one is concerned-it would have been biased to Andrews as the Press of AC tends to be towards him. FL has been to Cape May County and Atlantic County frequently in the past year (of course we would like to see him the Gov and Menendez more), but personal appearences dont mean all that much, face time doesnt mean success in the Senate and I am far more concerened with protecting NJ in Washington as FL seems to be. Frank lives in NJ. Lastly, considering RA's poor attendance record and admission that votes in the House "arent critical" I find it surprising that you think he would be more effective. Frank has a record of accomplishment in the Senate that extends as far back as the 1980s. Rob has a record of bossed metiocrity that extends just as far back. The choice between them, to me, is clear fro progressive voters.
Senator Dementia
A Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I mentioned all this a year ago I think he shares the same location with Guardrail Jonnie - You Morons..........
to continue
It's nice to talk about this is a semi-rational way, SJBlue, though we are both, surprisingly, on different sides here; I never thought I would be arguing with you and Nick about anything, truth be told.
One of reasons I'm supporting Andrews is because, as a constituent, I know his record and I know how good, decent and just he is. Here is someone who has worked tirelessly for South Jersey, whether it is in helping to secure those homeland security grants that you mentioned, working to get money for my university, Rowan, and protecting the Delaware River from dredging and dumping, helping him earn a 100% rating from the League of Conservation Voters and The Sierra Club.
Having Andrews in the senate would benefit N.J. in the long term; he would be able to build seniority over time rather than having Lautenberg for one remaining term, and he would certainly be more active than Lautenberg in the state and in promoting the interests of N.J, IMO. Senators on the Appropriations Committee have more power than their house counterparts, so think of the way that Stevens, Thurmond and Byrd have been able to steer funds towards their respective states. Lautenberg, unlike Andrews who has had a Republican-held house for most of his time in Congress, served on the appropriations committe and budget committee when Clinton was president; and he is currently on the appropriations committee. Again, thinking of the long term interests of the state, Andrews seems the better choice to me.
Though you may think Lautenberg is responsive to Atlantic Co. needs, I think you're in the minority in South Jersey, respectfully. I can't remember the last time Lautenberg met with a local Democratic committee, talked with Cherry Hill council, or simply asked voters what their concerns were; Andrews wouldn't even be running if Lautenberg had been more active in the state, particularly South Jersey and the Northwest Region.
As someone who grew up with modest means, I can relate to Andrews, who grew up in a union household in Bellmawr, and I would encourage my fellow union members to support him over Lautenberg; this is because Andrews is stronger in protectionist trade agreements and meets regularly with union members. Again, the folks who know Andrews best are supporting him because we know how capable and talented he is.
Regarding who is more progressive than whom, I'll grant you that Lautenberg is slightly more liberal than Andrews; but these are two candidates who both support marriage equality, both get 100% ratings from NARAL and other such organizations, and both are strong on workers' rights, redeployment out of Iraq, and government transparency. Andrews has moved to the left in recent years, and I like his recent votes in Congress very much.
Anyway, I tried to make this post as positive as possible about Andrews rather than be overtly negative on Lautenberg. Should my candidate be elected, I think that you will be pleasantly surprised.
With all due respect
Your glowing remarks about Andrews are a bit much to take. As far as I can tell, he like Frank LoBiondo, do a terrific job of pressing the flesh, but have accomplished very little as far as policy is concerned. As I said, I would vote for his over Zimmer, but Rob's work ethic and (whether you like to believe it or not) connections to Nrocross are hard pills to swallow. To be Frank (pun not intended), I would rather Frank get re-elected and serve one day than let Rob Andrews build seniority in the United States Senate. Rob is a skillful politician in many ways, he works the crowd well. He is a good handshaker. FL has never been great at that, but he makes up for byt being a strong vote against the GOP. FL has long been the champion of issues that fall through the cracks. Frank's service to NJ does not warrant Rob's challanges to him. ROb is making a political power grab. He banked on FL being old and too weak to fight him off. Rob's entire campiagn is based on semantics. FL doesnt live in NJ, he wont debate 5,000 times etc..Rob cant point to one vote that Frank has cast that is out of step with NJ (And I doubt that you could either). I can point to several of Rob's that are out of step with NJ (As I am sure you can). To sidetrack I would point out that when FL was in the Senate during the Clinton years, he was in the minority as well. FL came from a working background as well. I am a union supporter, and FL has been there just as much as Andrews.
No
Now on to the next non-issue.