December 21, 2007 - 3:25am

Wilson won't contravene county organizations in ballot dustup

Republicans not endorsing former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani fretted yesterday that the GOP’s balloting procedure would unfairly impact their own presidential candidates, and fought an email war with the state party chairmen to try to get him to intervene.

What made the matter worse for some proud party members was having to watch the Democratic State Committee relinquish its prior commitment to giving establishment candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton the line A position virtually statewide.

They argued that while Republicans were essentially handing the ballot pole position to Giuliani, the Clinton-centric Democratic leadership was mercifully loosening its stranglehold on the process to allow rival campaigns to get an equal shot at the line.

"Why is it that the New Jersey GOP isn't following the Democratic State Committee’s lead in holding an open draw for presidential candidates?" Republican counsel Brian Nelson asked State Committee Chairman Tom Wilson. "Why are the Republicans still following the process the Democrats are abandoning?"

As the Democrats put county clerks through a jolting series of commands on their way to finally ordering an open drawing for all presidential candidates, Wilson wouldn’t get involved in giving orders to the clerks.

He’d made the entire matter simple enough in a memorandum issued to party chairmen earlier in the week, when he wrote that presidential candidates endorsed by county organizations would be entitled to column A placement on the Feb. 5th primary ballot.

Endorsed by 15 of the state’s 21 Republican Party county organizations, Giulaini would have a clear ballot edge statewide.

With the organization’s pick intact for line A, "The Clerks will then place the names of the remaining qualified, non-endorsed candidates in a blind draw to determine the order in which they will appear after the endorsed candidate," Wilson wrote.

On Thursday, the day the clerks around New Jersey were simultaneously scheduled to draw the names of candidates at 3 p.m., Nelson, who supports former Gov. Mitt Romney for president, prodded Wilson to make it an all-out open draw.

But Wilson refused.

"The nature of our party is to acknowledge differences," said the state party chairman. "Ours is not a top down party structure."

Wilson’s argument hinged on what he cited as respect for the county organization’s individual bylaws. Some have specific rules governing presidential endorsements and their ballot line advantages. Others have open drawings, regardless of the candidate the county organization supports. With this in mind, undoubtedly some operations would give Giuliani the line, while others would not. Imperative to Wilson was that they follow their own rules.

At least two individual chairmen acknowledged open drawings in their counties.

"Although I’m supporting Giuliani, it’s always been an open draw here," said Morris county GOP Chairman John Sette.

Monmouth County Republican Chairman Adam Puharic also refused to impose his endorsement of Romney on the clerk’s office. "We’re going to make this a process beneficial to all Republicans and have an open draw," said Puharic.

Sen. Joseph KyrillosSen. Joseph KyrillosBut the chief spokesman for the Romney campaign in New Jersey, State Sen. Joseph Kyrillos, wasn't pleased with ceding all control to the counties on a sensitive issue like ballot placement.

"Adam Puharic is a reformer and he’s doing the right thing by allowing a draw," said Kyrillos. Other county chairs may not be as enlightened however, and the senator wanted the assurance of an open draw everywhere, "in the interest of fair play, with the backdrop of the Democrats doing the right thing here."

Richard Mroz, campaign coordinator for McCain in New Jersey, agreed with Kyrillos, and pressed for an open drawing.

"It’s not a big deal," said Mroz, "but anything that opens this primary up is good for voters, and good for John McCain."

"We can always appeal it if we have to, and it’s probably not worth going to court over, but it’s just an issue of fairness and why are we not following the law?" asked Nelson, citing Schundler v. Donovan as legal precedent.

"County chairs only control their incorporated slogan, not ballot positions, which can only be determined by a draw except for in the case of a U.S. Senate or gubernatorial candidate who chooses not to bracket as provided under Title 19," said the GOP counsel.

Firing email arguments back at Nelson, Wilson refused to transgress what he sees as the pre-eminence of organization-specific bylaws dictating how each party outfit should go about processing its first choice presidential candidate. As they failed to reach an agreement, each argued that his point of view would better position state party members to march into the Republican National Convention with delegation integrity.

But they also agreed their argument is unlikely to go anywhere, and Nelson and Kyrillos both said they would be unlikely to appeal Thursday’s statewide drawings.

"It’s much ado about noting," said Wilson. "The names of five candidates will all appear in same column, in the same row. No one’s going to vote on Feb. 5th who doesn’t know what he’s going to do."

For the record, Wilson supports McCain, he noted - not local establishment darling Giuliani.

Fellow McCain-backer Sen-elect Bill Baroni agreed with Wilson.

"These are legitimate questions, but people are going to walk into the voting booth on Feb. 5th, and they are going to know who they’re going to vote for," said Baroni. "These voters are extremely tuned in."

Comments

Ballot Positiion


As usual this party and it's OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD

USELESS USELES USELESS USELESS USELESS

LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS

trying to control the process.

"I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED" 

"I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED"  "I'M WITH FRED"  

"I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED"  "I'M WITH FRED"  

"I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED"  

"I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED" "I'M WITH FRED"   

And there is not anything you can do about it…………..

While I am at it take my advice Joseph Kyrillos, retire you are yesterday's news and are keeping this NJ Republican Party DOWN.

12/21/07 7:12 am

Rudy won't be in the race on


Rudy won't be in the race on February 5th, so who cares.

Nobody is going to vote for a pro-baby killing, anti-gun liberal who was once married to his second cousin.

Only the turd Tom Wilson and the NJGOP will ride this sinking ship. 

 

12/21/07 8:30 am

Not Worth Fighting About


     I am not for Rudy but think it not worth fighting about this. Rudy will not win the Republican nomination but he'll still be in the race and win in NJ on February 5th. That he has so much support on our side of the Hudson disappoints me. He was a rotten neighbor while NYC Mayor taking potshots at the Garden State at every opportunity.

12/21/07 9:18 am

Incompetance is on parade


Don't trust you party leadership. The people felt that they did not have a say as to who the Presidential Candidate will be because it was decided before June. But now everyone is teed off because of ballot positions and candidates will be aligned with candidates chosen by the party.

In New Jersey the Republican and Democrat leadership, as incompetant as they are, decide the elections with ballot manipulations, not the people.

New Jersey with so many Presidential candidates might be counting dimpled and pregnant chads until June anyway.

 

 

"The State is great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)

Read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat available at www.fee.org

12/21/07 9:51 am

Mac is Back


The tide has turned and John McCain is going to be our next President. John McCain has the experience in foreign policy,he is a born leader ,trustworthy,has integrity and is a family man.Rudy is the complete opposite of John McCain .Rudy has none of the above attributes.I believe in the end the people of this country will be heard and will elect John McCain.

12/21/07 10:05 am

Presidential Primary Ballot placement doesn't matter...


As a huge John McCain supporter, I don’t think ballot placement matters at all in a presidential primary. It’s almost laughable to believe that ballot placement really makes a difference in a presidential primary election. When democrats were bickering about this I found it pretty entertaining.

I’m a big fan of open democracy and I praise Morris County and Monmouth County for already stating they will hold open ballot placement primaries. (Monmouth already held their's and John McCain got first..heh) I encourage all other counties to do the same. But if you think column A or F really matters in a presidential primary you really have got to be kidding me.

A bit of realism if I may: New Jersey is irrelevant this primary season. Sorry Folks.

That does not mean don't go out and vote though!

http://www.redjersey.net/2007/12/21/a-note-on-primary-ballot-placement/.

12/21/07 2:57 pm

Camden Beer...and Fred Thompson supporters..


Wilson endorsed McCain..so he's not riding the Rudy ship at all..

Although I'm sure you have pleasant and wonderful things to say about John McCain as well..

By the way what is it with the Fred Thompson people...the guy's only hope is a strong finish and miracle in Iowa..and right now he's tied hovering near third.. Thompsons nowhere near any top spot in any of the early states until South Carolina and he's third there too..by then he's either out or floating around..

Its kinda funny the only thing Thompson differs on from McCain is really illegal immigration reform..and what to do with the 12 million plus living in our country.

To all those "conservatives" still angry at McCain for McCain-Feingold..guess who else supported the bill and signed on to it:

Fred Thompson.

Whoops! There goes that whole "consistent conservative" thing.

 

12/21/07 3:12 pm

The difference between Thompson and McCain


Speaking as a conservative who will likely vote for Thompson, there are significant differences between the records of the two men. Thompson has an excellent record on tax cuts while McCain often opposed tax cuts using the excuse of being a deficit hawk. I'd use the label Tax Collector for the Welfare state instead. And while McCain is nominally pro-life, Thompson has a more consistent pro-life voting record on the various bills that have actually reached Congress.  There are various differences in other domestic issues as well. Thompson only has deviated from the common conservative view on campaign finance and tort reform. McCain has voted against conservative positions on much more. On national security matters, however, both men are solid.

I am actually closer to McCain on the immigration issue than Thompson but generally view Thompson as a more reliable conservative, but a sensible one who will not scare independents. While his chances don't look great at the moment, there still remains the chance of a deadlocked convention, and I think he is probably most Republicans second choice and thus a potential compromise candidate, or a good veep.

12/21/07 4:46 pm

Who cares?


The Dems are going to carry the state in November for President and US Senator.  The 3rd and 7th CDs are toss ups.

12/21/07 7:00 pm

GOP.observer


Eloquently said but the Republican party can no longer in New Jersey nor Nationally accept compromises on issues and personal responsibility that are both non-negotiable as John McCain has on several occasions.   

Fred Thompson’s core beliefs have always been consistent and so will his term as President while returning this country that I fought for and all those Heroes fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are doing to protect the core principles that this country was built on and that is EXACTLY what Fred Thompson is, has been and will always have that the rest of these so called conservatives only LIE about and they are:  

                         HONESTY – INTEGERTY – TRUTHFULNESS                   

                   "I'm With Fred" "I'm With Fred" "I'm With Fred"

12/22/07 5:28 am

Any McCain supporters



The following senators voted to give AMNESTY to illegal aliens 

Menendez (D-NJ) The next LEGAL boat back to Cuba will arrive soon. 

Lautenberg (D-NJ) Another Rich Democrat PIG 

McCain (R-AZ) (McCain-Feingold; McCain-Kennedy) 

The following senators voted against making English the official language of America: 

Menendez (D-NJ) 

Lautenberg (D-NJ)  

McCain (R-AZ) (McCain-Feingold; McCain-Kennedy)

12/22/07 6:27 am

I'm for Rudy!!!!


He did a great job as mayor of New York and will do a great job as President.

Just because I am for Rudy doesn't mean I have to dislike some of the other candidates. I like Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney and John Mc Cain and would be ok with any one of them leading our ticket!

12/22/07 9:24 am

Put him where ever


RON PAUL

 WE will find you

Ron Paul Rising 

12/22/07 7:01 pm

Ron Paul Who?


The Freak is disappearing.............

12/22/07 10:36 pm